India's Kashmir Conflict




 
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September 20th, 2004  
Xion
 

Topic: India's Kashmir Conflict


I donno but why doesn't anyone take the conflict between India and Pakistan seriously over Kashmir.Is it because you ppl dont have much information about it or is it because your government and news channels try to suppress it.I'm from India and yes it is a dead serious issue affecting all of us here.We have fought 3 wars with pakistan in the past 50 years [all of which we won] .I mean yeah you ppl talk as if we dont exist at all.80,000 people have been killed so far in kashmir in the past 50 years most of them kashmiri hindu pandits by terrorists supported by pakistan.I would love to discuss more on this topic if anyone could reply that is.Please dont lock this post as you did to this topic http://www.military-quotes.com/forum...pic.php?t=4184
September 20th, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
What would you like to discuss? I think by and large both India and Pakistan have told the rest of the world to in effect but out. I will agree with you that it is a major concern in that region.
September 20th, 2004  
Caffeine
 
I actually had a discussion with my friend the other night about this. We were talking of major hotspots around the globe that show the potential for a global conflict. We are borderline in so many regions and the Inda/Pakistan affair is one of them. Especially since that entire region has become a Nuclear Power. I believe special attention should be paid to help resolve the conflicts there. Unfortunately it has seemed to always recieve "back burner" attention. I have to admit my knowledge in that particular conflict is rather limited but learning more is what I am always about. The problem is we cannot ignore the multitdue of regional conflicts that are taking place around the world, they all have the potential to effect the national security of many nations worldwide.
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September 20th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Good call, this topic is rarely talked about. I know very little about it, perhaps you could brief me (or us) the current situation? This might be a pretty short-sighted view, but considering how anti-western Pakistan is (their civilian populous, not their government) if war broke out, it would be hard for me not to root for India.
September 20th, 2004  
Boobies
 
 

Topic: Yes...


I would like to know why they are fighting? It is quite interesting.
September 20th, 2004  
Xion
 
When India became independent in 1947 most of the princely states that constitue India today came together to form a nation except a few like Kashmir , Goa and Hyderabad.Hyderabad were eventually won over [ in a like a day or so lmao ] and the portugese eventually left Goa in 1960 after huge revolutions against them.
Kashmir on the other hand was ruled by a king named HariSingh who refused to join India and was attacked by Pakistan [small paki nation just wants to increase in size, never can come close to India ] .The king then asked for help to India , we did so and flushed the pakis out of Kashmir and thus kashmir was inducted into India [ which was necessary as the pakis would keep attacking them without the presence of Indian military ].

Well the pakis just wont accept the fact that cudn't ever have kashmir and kept attacking it and India defeating them in two consecutive wars [ piss easy ]...a third one was recently fought in Kargil in 1998 when the paki troops along with jehadi separatists crossed the ceasefire line and came upto Kargil [ a district in kashmir valley ] ....they were flushed out too back upto the LOC [line of control ] .Now you must note that inspite of the ceasefire the pakistani troops supported the jehadi islamic terrorists to encroach upon our territory.
there's more to talk but it would never end..

Now the problem facing us is the jehadi "anti-indian" islamic terrorists operate from a region known as PoK [ Pakistan occupied Kashmir ].All the terrorist camps are situated here [ which the USA of course knows from satellite images :d ] and they have launched guerrilla warfare against the Indian Army ..the same scenario what the US army is facing in Iraq. These cowards can't defeat an army and so they keep attacking religious sites,market places etc. etc.killing thousands of "INNOCENT" civilians .The indian airforce can destroy these "pakistan supported" terrorist camps in PoK in like a matter of days but won't do it [ i think cos of the risk of a full fledged war as pakistan claims that any attack on PoK which they claim to be their territory which isn't true actually will result in a war ] .Now you might ask why does India doesnt want a war with pakistan ...one reason is because india is emerging as a powerful economic power obviously a war would destroy all that......and also due to USA backing pakistan [ due to US interests in Afghanistan which borders Pakistan ] ......theres a shitload more i can talk bout but i think this post is too long...i'll post as we discuss...

Disclaimer [lmao]:..These are my views and do not reflect the views of the Indian ppl in general.....
September 20th, 2004  
Lupos
 
 
I know I have not heard much about India since about early 2000. I remember seeing many attacks by Islamic guerillas in Indian villages. Please excuse us for siding with Pakistan at the moment (not in the conflict between the two of you) but we do need Islamic allies.

This story sounds much like Isreal and Palestine. Post WWII, jews begin moving back to Jerusalem. Palestinians refuse to live with the Jews. Palestinians begin publicly slaughtering Jews in town halls, the UN takes action and splits Palestine in half. Palestine is outraged and starts recieving support from Iraq, Egypt, Iran and Syria. The Isrealis fight all of their armies off alone with merely weapons and ammo from western countries. The war ends but tension and terrorism continues to today.

It irritates me when things like this happen. Those terrorist on the India/Pakistan border are just like the Palestinian terrorist. People think that the Palestinians are getting kicked out, but from what I remember they were suposed to leave decades ago when Isreal defeated them all.

We have not seen much on the India/Pakistan tension because the media wants to milk Iraq for all it is worth to try to get Bush kicked out. Do not take us wrong, we just do not see much because we are now at war with two other countries. Not to mention we have an election coming up.
September 21st, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
I don't see how US backing Pakistan on the war on terror could effect a Pakistan-Indian war? If it's the thought that America would side with military force, that would be wrong. We would probably support Pakistan, but in a very hollow way. We would probably try our best to end the conflict ASAP, merely to get Pakistan's attention back on fighting terror.
September 21st, 2004  
SOT_II
 

Topic: Re: India's Kashmir Conflict


I would say because it's a territorial conflict that's been going on for decades. I would say depending on where you are from, people do talk about it.
September 21st, 2004  
Xion
 
I think USA backing any country makes that country 100 times stronger than what it would normally be.And I know USA does that cos it has its personal interests in Pakistan.

Pakitsan was a better candidate to attack than Iraq was.Pakistan is absolutely a mess , majority of the ppl there are anti-western and controlled by radical Islamic groups.Osama Bin Laden is most probably hiding in pakistan too .And now they have the nukes too , imagine if these weapons fell into the hands of thse Islamic radical groups.The terrorist groups operating in kasmir like Lashkae-E-Toiba, Jaish-E-Mohammed have big offices situated in islamabad the capital of Pakistan, still the paki goverment keeps denying it.

I suggest whoever is interested in this topic read this

http://pak-terror.freeservers.com/webarticle38.htm

Also read this -

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Ethnic Cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits  by Pakistan-trained Islamic Fundamentalists

Cradled in the lap of majestic mountains of the Himalayas, Kashmir is the most beautiful place on earth. On visiting the Valley of Kashmir, Jehangir, one of the Mughal emperors, is said to have exclaimed: "If there is paradise anywhere on earth, it is here, it is here, it is here."  
And, till very, very recent times it was paradise on earth. But now the paradise has been turned into hell.  

Kashmir has a myth and history, language and literature, art and architecture, culture and tradition, and religion and ritual that is distinct, yet similar to the civilization of the Indian subcontinent. In this once happy valley with its peace-loving and crime-free people, Buddhism reached the zenith of its glory, Hinduism extended its philosophical frontiers into Shaivism and Shaktism, and Islam achieved a new meaning and practice in its tradition of Sufism.  

But with the emergence of Islamic fundamentalism all over the world, this theo-fascist brand of political philosophy accompanied by hatred, intolerance, and terrorism was pushed into and peddled in the peaceful valley by Pakistan. And now the rapture of birdsong and murmur of gentle streams of yesteryears is replaced by the misery of physical and psychic violence instigated by the terrorists. 

This website will show you a glimpse of the history, culture, and the current plight of Kashmiri Pandits. You will understand the goals of the bigoted religious terrorists in Kashmir whose vision of Azadi (independence) is to use religious dogma to exclude women, religious minorities, and secular-minded people from every kind of freedom in social and political life.  

After centuries of decimation of our population within Kashmir valley, the 1990 pogrom by Islamic terrorists and their supporters against us was the final act that expelled almost the entire remaining 400,000 strong population of Kashmiri Pandits - something that has unfortunately gone largely unreported in the Western press. These Pandits are at present living as refugees in their own country. While the expelled refugees as well as our worldwide community have not resorted to any form of violent means to regain our territory, we have never accepted this ethnic cleansing as final. We are carrying on a non-violent war through legitimate political means and by using the Internet to disseminate the truth about how Islamic interests have caused the near-extinction of our community in their zeal to convert the valley into the next Afghanistan. This non-violent war will continue until we win back our homeland and the right to live there without being subject to Islamic hegemony. We will also continue to use these non-violent means to ensure that the government of India does not barter our interests away in the process of placating Islamic terrorist groups in Kashmir.