India's Kashmir Conflict - Page 3




 
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September 25th, 2004  
Xion
 
I bet the one who posted above is a muslim , must have registered just now after lookin at my posts, he must have felt so offended, i should have never taken up this topic cos i know you would never agree with what I said , of course not, India isn't powerful as Russia , China or USA ...how can someone support us and accept our point of view.Its human nature to side with a powerful country , I don't blame anyone for that,like what USA is doing in Iraq is perfect but if the same was the case with India nah its not correct...we would be killin innocent iraqi's then.And I was talking bout nukeing PoK where your terrorist muslim brothers camp out.And go read that link i posted earlier in my posts , on what basis do you say that we are equally responsible for whats happening in Kashmir ??? !!!!!!?????? ....so you would then also say Russia is to be blamed equally then for their conflict with the chechens ??...and these are my point of views don't take out your anger on the entire India..these are my words and not what entire India thinks.So please don't call anyone an idiot , maybe im not able to talk with the rhetoric and peasantry of words that you are..doesn't mean we are idiots.
September 25th, 2004  
venom928
 
First of it dose not Matter weather i'm muslim hindu jewish or christian as for not agreeing with you what makes you think i agree with the US russia or China? as for my "terrorist muslim brothers" what makes you think i support them? do you know me? do you know my opinions or even my religion? are you trying to say India has NEVER made a hostile move against Pakistan (Directly or Indirectly) and i didn't call Everyone and Idiot i said there are idiots on BOTH sides. I never said a word about the conflict in Kashmir i said in general.
September 25th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Xion conveniently ignored the crimes India has committed in this region, though I don't think he is nearly as biased as he could be. But when dealing with crazy fanatics pouring across your border (the Islamic extremist groups, not Pakistan) it's hard not to take a hardline approach. Though things like rape and torture, will never be justified.

But those things aside, I think what venom is trying to say is that, both sides have their blind arrogant mindset about the issue, and neither are going to back down. Something to do with pride, in a way, a muslim vs. hindu endurance test.

And, perhaps this is where I get biased about this, but I think Pakistan shares a larger portion of the blame for first "supporting" and now failing to stop the Islamic radicals making the situation worse.
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September 25th, 2004  
venom928
 
I'm not sure there is much more the pakistani Govt. can do. There is already a lot of hostility towards the Pakistani president and there have been several assassination attempts already. If he were to take serious action against these extremists it might be enough to result in the Govt. being overthrown and I'm sure that is the last thing anyone wants considering the govt. to replace the current one would be a radical one that would openly support terrorism and this would make Nuclear weapons easily available to any terrorist group.
September 25th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Very valid point, venom. I wonder if the US would be forced to help the gov. if it was in serious danger? As in, I wonder if it would come down to putting US boots in Pakistan to keep the nation from falling apart.
September 25th, 2004  
Xion
 
Can you give me any instances of India being hostile towards Pakistan , that is making any first attempts at a war or purposely training terrorists with an anti-paki sentiment and then sending them across the border to kill innocent ppl in pakistani cities ..and btw you did not answer me ...is Russia equally to be blamed in Chechnya ? ...is USA equally to be blamed for Iraq war ? ...Is the USA equally to be blamed for attacking Afghanistan ? ...Is USA equally to be blamed for Vietnam war..Is Israel equally to be blamed in Palestine ? .....please answer them as it will make me feel satisfied.
Why doesn't pakistan just stop fighting and supporting the kashmiri terrorists..if they are so concerned about their freedom why dont they JUST GIVE UP THEIR PART OF THE OCCUPIED KASHMIR FIRST ????????? !!!! ......and this is no blame game ...we arent kids here playing ......its a matter of ppl's lives here ..ppl are being killed here ??? ..GET THAT RIGHT FIRST...do you know how serious that thing is ?? ...go ask your countrymen whos family members were beheaded in Iraq and ask em if they can have a bipolar view you are talking off...go ask someone whose family members were killed by an islamic jehadist....its easy to talk sitting in some far away place and making bipolar views....
All india is asking to stop supporting terrorists in PoK....And YOU'LL SEE THE TERRORISM WILL GET over in a matter of days....how do you think these terrorists get their arms from..who funds them ???????? !!....and as you...and what crimes are you talking off India did commit in kashmir......do you even know kashmir is the most privileged state in india...what more do they want..they are satisfied with what they have...but its pakistan who isn't.
AND AS YOU SAID THAT I DONT HAVE ANY RIGHT TO SAY IF UR A MUSLIM OR IF YOU SUPPORT THEM..SIMILARLY YOU DONT HAVE ANY RIGHT TO SAY IF IM EXTREMELY BIASED ABOUT ANYTHING...
ALWAYS FOLLOW WHAT YOU SAY YOURSELF FIRST ...... ( tho i still bet my life on it that ur a muslim )
September 25th, 2004  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
Heh. You'd do best not to use caps, Xion, it doesn't help the discussion in a meaningful manner. But I noticed in your post you denied Indian soldier's atrocities. I'm afraid these are true.

Not that I'm saying America is totally clean in that sector...... "coughvietnamcough"
September 25th, 2004  
venom928
 
Ok you cant determine my religion from my posts because i do not mention it you are VERY openly biased and its become painfully clear that no amount of reason will get through to someone as short sighted as yourself
and for your satisfaction......
The US is at fault in Iraq that was a preemptive war
As for the Israel/Palestine Problem i think both sides are to blame(Arab- Israeli) i think it was wrong of the Arab countrys to try and destroy This Incredibly small country for no other reason than them Being Jewish but i also think Israel has its share of blame (The 6 day war is launched a preemptive attack) as for the bombings it would be one thing if they only hit military targets I would not Hold it against due to the fact they have no army but because they choose to target Civilians i think they hold the blame for that and this could on for ever so i'm stoping on this one right here
and in Russia I think that after the whole Incident at the school retaliation is warranted.
September 25th, 2004  
Xion
 
Well i did not want to use caps...i also don't have anything against muslims....no ones bad/evil.....but look who started talking bout hindu vs muslims first

venom928 says
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He reminds of of those people that claim that it was only the Muslims who slaughtered innocent hindus during the partition the Killing of innocent people took place on both sides
And whenever theres any military involved the ppl hate it, doesn't mean they commit atrocities against em....its just that military isn't as soft as normal police are...they have strict rules.All this atrocity thing is one big made up drama by pakistan..cos they dont have anything else to defend themselves

Do you know a few days ago a few militants cut off a muslim woman's nose and ears in kashmir as she made her brother give up arms and surrender to the police...you know who helped her?...The Indian Army...they helped her get a new synthetic nose fixed and paid all her medical expenses.....there are alot many incidents like these where the Indian army has helped a lot of such victims ![/quote][/code]
September 25th, 2004  
Lupos
 
 
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Originally Posted by xion
Can you give me any instances of India being hostile towards Pakistan , that is making any first attempts at a war or purposely training terrorists with an anti-paki sentiment and then sending them across the border to kill innocent ppl in pakistani cities ..and btw you did not answer me ...is Russia equally to be blamed in Chechnya ? ...is USA equally to be blamed for Iraq war ? ...Is the USA equally to be blamed for attacking Afghanistan ? ...Is USA equally to be blamed for Vietnam war..Is Israel equally to be blamed in Palestine ? .....please answer them as it will make me feel satisfied.
Why doesn't pakistan just stop fighting and supporting the kashmiri terrorists..if they are so concerned about their freedom why dont they JUST GIVE UP THEIR PART OF THE OCCUPIED KASHMIR FIRST ????????? !!!! ......and this is no blame game ...we arent kids here playing ......its a matter of ppl's lives here ..ppl are being killed here ??? ..GET THAT RIGHT FIRST...do you know how serious that thing is ?? ...go ask your countrymen whos family members were beheaded in Iraq and ask em if they can have a bipolar view you are talking off...go ask someone whose family members were killed by an islamic jehadist....its easy to talk sitting in some far away place and making bipolar views....
All india is asking to stop supporting terrorists in PoK....And YOU'LL SEE THE TERRORISM WILL GET over in a matter of days....how do you think these terrorists get their arms from..who funds them ???????? !!....and as you...and what crimes are you talking off India did commit in kashmir......do you even know kashmir is the most privileged state in india...what more do they want..they are satisfied with what they have...but its pakistan who isn't.
AND AS YOU SAID THAT I DONT HAVE ANY RIGHT TO SAY IF UR A MUSLIM OR IF YOU SUPPORT THEM..SIMILARLY YOU DONT HAVE ANY RIGHT TO SAY IF IM EXTREMELY BIASED ABOUT ANYTHING...
ALWAYS FOLLOW WHAT YOU SAY YOURSELF FIRST ...... ( tho i still bet my life on it that ur a muslim )
Speaking of bipolar, that sudden explosion is quite that way. All the conflicts you mentioned above (including those with my country, USA) do have blams on both sides. The US especially has blames for conflicts in Iraq and Vietnam. You really need to calm down you know, or you're not going to be able to function on this forum. The US does get constant bashing from other countries, especially from France and certain parts of Canada (take a guess which part). Many think that there is no real international outrage over the slaughter of US civilians contractors in Iraq because they feel we deserve it, yet Abu-Ghraib gets all sorts of publicity in international media (see, we get criticized and bashed all over to). My point is that you keep thinking that just because we are the current superpower of the world, doesn't mean we are not blamed for everything. So just cool it, you don't have to explode when something like this happens.