IJN Yamato Mightest Battleship in History

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Yamato, lead ship of a class of two 65,000-ton (over 72,800-tons at full load) battleships, was built at Kure, Japan. She and her sister, Musashi were by far the largest battleships ever built, even exceeding in size and gun caliber (though not in weight of broadside) the U.S. Navy's abortive Montana class. Their nine 460mm (18.1-inch) main battery guns, which fired 1460kg (3200 pound) armor piercing shells, were the largest battleship guns ever to go to sea, and the two ships' scale of armor protection was also unsurpassed.
Commissioned in December 1941, just over a week after the start of the Pacific war, Yamato served as flagship of Combined Fleet commander Isoroku Yamamoto during the critical battles of 1942. During the following year, she spent most of her time at Truk, as part of a mobile naval force defending Japan's Centeral Pacific bases. Torpedoed by USS Skate (SS-305) in December 1943, Yamato was under repair until April 1944, during which time her anti-aircraft battery was considerably increased. She then took part in the Battle of the Philippine Sea in June and the Battle of Leyte Gulf in October. During the latter action, she was attacked several times by U.S. Navy aircraft, and fired her big guns in an engagement with U.S. escort carriers and destroyers off the island of Samar.
Yamato received comparatively light damage during the Leyte Gulf battle, and was sent home in November 1944. Fitted with additional anti-aircraft machine guns, she was based in Japan during the winter of 1944-45. Attacked by U.S. Navy carrier planes in March 1945, during raids on the Japanese home islands, she was again only lightly damaged. The following month, she was assigned to take part in the suicidal "Ten-Go" Operation, a combined air and sea effort to destroy American naval forces supporting the invasion of Okinawa. On 7 April 1945, while still some 200 miles north of Okinawa, Yamato was attacked by a massive force of U.S. carrier planes and sunk.
After the war, the great battleship became an object of intense fascination in Japan, as well as in foreign countries. Yamato's remains were located and examined in 1985 and again examined, more precisely, in 1999. She lies in two main parts in some 1000 feet of water. Her bow portion, severed from the rest of the ship in the vicinity of the second main battery turret, is upright. The midships and stern section is upside down nearby, with a large hole in the lower starboard side close to the after magazines.
 
it would have been one hell of a fight if the go 10 task force duked it out with Task Force 58's battleline, however there would have been more deaths on the United States side.
 
Mighty battleships are just BIG ass bullseyes for air power. I'm sure the fish appreciate her very much.
 
In surface vs surface engagements yes, the Battleship was past its prime. However in Coastal Bombardment/off-shore artillery support role, those Big Guns could do wonders for the Infantry and Marines on the shore. So the BB wasn't completely useless in WWII.

Also BBs could throw up lots of FlaK and were essential in close-in carrier defense, especially the American BB whose AAA gun were superior to the Japanese.
 
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In surface vs surface engagements yes, the Battleship was past its prime. However in Coastal Bombardment/off-shore artillery support role, those Big Guns could do wonders for the Infantry and Marines on the shore. So the BB wasn't completely useless in WWII.

Also BBs could throw up lots of FlaK and were essential in close-in carrier defense, especially the American BB whose AAA gun were superior to the Japanese.

They did some great work at Omaha beach D-Day. Bulldust may have forgotten that.
 
In surface vs surface engagements yes, the Battleship was past its prime. However in Coastal Bombardment/off-shore artillery support role, those Big Guns could do wonders for the Infantry and Marines on the shore. So the BB wasn't completely useless in WWII.

Also BBs could throw up lots of FlaK and were essential in close-in carrier defense, especially the American BB whose AAA gun were superior to the Japanese.

I don't agree, surface to surface engagements which included coastal bombardment were all battleships were designed for and if not for the development of air power battleships would probably still be the primary naval weapon.
 
Now a salvo from a Battleship is some thing to behold, especially when you are only a few hundred yards away
 
I don't agree, surface to surface engagements which included coastal bombardment were all battleships were designed for and if not for the development of air power battleships would probably still be the primary naval weapon.
Indeed, 2 Battleships were used for coastal bombardment in the first Gulf War out of 4 commissioned to serve as part of the proposed 600 ship US Navy from Reagan's era. Since then, budget cutbacks rather than military obsolescence has been the reason for their decommission. USS Iowa and USS Wisconsin were, until 2006, maintained to a standard where they could be rapidly returned to service as fire support vessels. The US Marines have stated that with the decommission of the Iowa class battleships they no longer have adequate fire support for amphibious landings.

The bottom line is that if they could afford it, all 4 Iowa class battleships would probably still be active in the US Navy.
 
Most 'modern' battleships designs must have dated from pre-WW2 or early WW2, before the impact of air power was fully realised. However, consider that with sufficient foresight the big guns of the Battleships were designed to elevate to high angles and fire fragmentation shells (I think some of the smaller calibre weapons were indeed dual purpose).

Now consider how these ships and fleets were engaged, by closely packed squadrons of aircraft. Imagine the effect of a large 1.5t shell of the Yamato exploding within the vicinity of such a squadron using radar controlled range detonation. I expect several dozen of these shells could be fired off before a squadron could get within dive bombing range since they would be within range for 20 miles or more. This type of tactical AA fire would surely consign squadron style attacks to history and force aircraft to disperse and change their approach strategy. As far as I know no battleship ever had this ability, therefore their AA potential was never fully tested.
 
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Most 'modern' battleships designs must have dated from pre-WW2 or early WW2, before the impact of air power was fully realised. However, consider that with sufficient foresight the big guns of the Battleships were designed to elevate to high angles and fire fragmentation shells (I think some of the smaller calibre weapons were indeed dual purpose).

Now consider how these ships and fleets were engaged, by closely packed squadrons of aircraft. Imagine the effect of a large 1.5t shell of the Yamato exploding within the vicinity of such a squadron using radar controlled range detonation. I expect several dozen of these shells could be fired off before a squadron could get within dive bombing range since they would be within range for 20 miles or more. This type of tactical AA fire would surely consign squadron style attacks to history and force aircraft to disperse and change their approach strategy. As far as I know no battleship ever had this ability, therefore their AA potential was never fully tested.

Interestingly enough I read some accounts by Swordfish pilots that the Bismarck fired its main guns into the water in front them during their attack creating large walls of water in an attempt to force them up.
 
Whilst interesting I'm not sure that such tactics could b relied upon to give a reasonable defence against air attacks. For one thing the rate of fire of the main guns would seem to me to be a major weakness. Coming back to the the modern application of battleships it does seem to me that they are, for the moment, unequaled at providing close offshore support to an amphibious landing. With the application of cruise missile launchers, as the Americans did with their reactivated Iowa class, battleships can also perform the function of a guided missile destroyer on a larger scale. As with aircraft carriers they would need perimeter defence against air and submarine attack but that isn't a major issue for the US Navy.

It's really down to the cost of keeping these leviathans afloat. It's the same issue that the US and British tank armies found in the two Gulf Wars, that large concentrations of firepower, be they land based or naval based, are stupendously thirsty and expensive to maintain for long periods of time. Modern forces need to downsize whilst maintaining or increasing their combat effectiveness. That's another reason why battleships really are consigned to history, along with the MBT in it's current format, before too long.
 
Whilst interesting I'm not sure that such tactics could b relied upon to give a reasonable defence against air attacks. For one thing the rate of fire of the main guns would seem to me to be a major weakness. Coming back to the the modern application of battleships it does seem to me that they are, for the moment, unequaled at providing close offshore support to an amphibious landing. With the application of cruise missile launchers, as the Americans did with their reactivated Iowa class, battleships can also perform the function of a guided missile destroyer on a larger scale. As with aircraft carriers they would need perimeter defence against air and submarine attack but that isn't a major issue for the US Navy.

It's really down to the cost of keeping these leviathans afloat. It's the same issue that the US and British tank armies found in the two Gulf Wars, that large concentrations of firepower, be they land based or naval based, are stupendously thirsty and expensive to maintain for long periods of time. Modern forces need to downsize whilst maintaining or increasing their combat effectiveness. That's another reason why battleships really are consigned to history, along with the MBT in it's current format, before too long.
True but it should be realized that the ideal application of the Battleship's firepower is where circumstances can guaranteed there will be very poor or even non-existant capacity for launching a missile, air or a number of other modes of attack attack on said Battleship. They do have anti-missile capabilites installed, but send enough missiles at the same time and it's bye-bye battleship.
In terms of ship vs ship naval engagements, they present a very big target and concentrates a lot of firepower into 1 kill (rather than having it spread out among a large number of faster moving ships.) And I don't know if any good solution to air attacks has ever been envisioned.
I think that a big part of the reason that they took such a long time to retire the big WW2 battleships was because there was something glorious and grand about have a floating monster with such amazing destructive power. Certainly there were other benefits.
 
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