If there's no ENGLISH CHANNEL - Page 2




View Poll Results :Without the English Channel, UK could be defeated by Nazi Germany
NOT SURE 2 15.38%
NO 1 7.69%
YES 10 76.92%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

 
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December 7th, 2004  
Kane
 
Nazis Germany had an insuffecient surface Navy which led to it's limitation of expanding into England. So if there is no English Channel, the Nazis Divisions would surely roll into England immediately.
December 7th, 2004  
Dutchy
 
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but they still would have been no match for the German armor.
Both French and British armor was far superior to German armor during the invasion of France. Most German tanks used where obsolete Panzer I and II and a lot of 38T's. The Germans totalled at 3000 tanks against 4500 French and British if i'm not mistaken. Of the 3000 Panzers used i believe only about 600 where Panzer III and 200 where IV's. The reason Germany kicked ass in France was because the French/British tactics and strategies didn't really evolved after WW1.

On topic: If the English Channel was nonexistent Germany would have whooped British forces, but then again, England would probaly have been a part of France for centuries.
December 7th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The problem with French and British armor was not inferiority, it was implementation. They saw the tank as a wonderful supporting unit for the infantry, so rather than concentrating their tanks, they spread them among the whole army -- making them mostly useless.

The UK was very fortunate to have rescued some of the BEF from Dunkirk. Consider that they DID RUN. Why did they run for it? Because they had no answer (as yet) for the German Blitzkrieg. Lovely to ponder elements of resistence and whatnot -- but there is not a doubt in my mind about it. On the conventional field of battle the Brits would have had their butts whipped. So would anybody else, so that's absolutely nothing demeaning. Its just a simple reality check. Look what Germany did to VASTLY superior numbers in Russia!

The British needed some time to lick their wounds and rethink military strategy and tactics in response to Germany's Blitzkrieg.
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December 8th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
This really is a no-brainer. Our being an island has literally saved us on more than a few occasions over the centuries. Remove that fact and we'd be conquered in a week by the Wehrmacht..

There would be a significant guerrilla campaign for sure but we'd definitely be part of Grossdeutschland for sure.
December 8th, 2004  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by beardo
we definatley wouldnt have surrendered if thats what you mean...

as churchy himself said ''we will fight them on the (well theres no beaches if theres no channel), we will fight them in the fields/roads/towns etc''

and, not having a channel wouldnt have affected the battle of britain so they would still have no air cover, so they couldnt use the effective ''Blitzkreig'', and would have had to have gone slower, giving us more time to get re-inforcements...

also we had the ''British Constabulary force'' or something like that i forgot the name, who were detachements of 5-10 men from every town in UK with shit loads of bombs and stff to take out as many enemy until they got killed
I'm British too and proud of it but there's no way that detachments of volunteer policeman with Lee Enfield rifles would stand up to the Wehrmacht professionals. Also, with no English Channel the Luftwaffe air-support units would just move up with the German Army as it advanced. The ground radars that played such a big part in the Battle of Britain would be destroyed and all our airfields and airbases in the south of England would be overrun in a day, 2 at most. There would be nowhere for the Spitfires to take off from.

Consider this. The Germans overran France in 4 weeks. They overran most of European Russia and the Ukraine in 6 weeks. They captured over 2 million Soviet prisoners during that time. Do you really think we could stop them without a body of water in the way?
December 8th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The German Gestoapo would have been ruthless in Great Britain just as they were in every other country. Guerilla resistence would have been brutally punished.

Also, everyone is failing to consider something -- most of Great Britain fits into the German definition of the "master race", etc. Obviously, Brits are by and large not a gullible people, but its very appealing being told that you're superior to all other races of mankind. That's why it worked so well in Germany after all.
December 9th, 2004  
SAINT
 
Most likely if the Nazi Germans wanted to land on the UK, the Nazis would have to gather a force at least similar to that of the Allied landings on D-Day in order to cross the English Channel.
December 9th, 2004  
Archit
 
oh,if there is no ENGLISH CHANNEL,the whole European history would be rewritten!Though it would be a different world in 1930s and 1940s
December 19th, 2004  
Bellerophon
 
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Originally Posted by redcoat
We would've had our butts kicked


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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
The English are a different type of European.
We like to think so, and its very nice of you to say so, but in truth we are not.
If there was no English Channel, Britain would have been defeated in a matter of days after the fall of France.
You're assuming that Britain would still have a small professional army,would this be the case if they did'nt have a powerful fleet?Remember Britain had always been invincible,not because of the channel,but because of the Royal Navy.The Channel did'nt stop Britain invading the continent,ever!
December 19th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
How many times has the English Channel saved England? Removing it would be like putting Russia in the tropics (no more Russian winter). One of the most defining features that makes the UK what it is today is the English Channel. It might be the UK without it, but I doubt it. We're talking a heavy duty rewrite of the history of the world.

As it relates to WW2, the lack of the Channel would negate any help the Royal Navy could be and they'd have been over-run ... just like everybody else. If the USA had a shared border with Continental Europe, Germany may have made short work of conquering us too.