If only Lee didn't go to Gettysburg




 
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January 8th, 2010  
goodoldrebel
 

Topic: If only Lee didn't go to Gettysburg


Lee's image is forever tarnished with the biggest blunder of choosing to attack the yankees instead of continuing to defend against northern aggression.
January 8th, 2010  
koalaburger
 
 
I think if he had continued flanking the union troops as he moved toward Washington he could have waited until the terrain suited an attack. Giving the enemy the high ground just shows he was believing his own publicity. Hubris brings even the best Generals undone.
January 8th, 2010  
goodoldrebel
 
Agree, the end result being 50k americans murdered each other and for no strategic purpose.

Today, as one travels to battlefield sites, most have designed tours with a northern spin. If you go to Ft. Sumter for example,(in the heart of the deep south) the tour shows how the north "rescued" the fortificaton. After touring this site, one truly feels that a civilization is "gone with the wind".

It's just bizarre that one cannot get the straight story regardless of whether its politically correct. The federal govt. actually made florida change its state song from Suwanne River. If that's not the epitome of pandering.

The one battlefield I've seen that still reflects accurately the southern perspective is Olustee Battlefield in northern Florida. Also, Judah Benjamin's last residence (Gamble Plantation) being supported by the daughters of the confederacy, is a fresh change from the yankee white washing.

I hope that history at some point will try Sherman (post-mortum) as a war criminal. After all, the acts that his army perpetrated on the non combatant civilian population would truly make him and his army the original nazis.

Remembering Rosewell Ga. (formerly, New Manchester) and what Sherman's army did to those poor women and children of the clothing factory there.

Let's not forget about Grant;'s infamous anti-semetic order 11 kicking all Judaic people out of Paducah, KY.

These facts never get the exposure they deserve in the history books. All we hear about is Andersonville, yet little is mentioned about Ft. Deleware, Camp Douglass and Pt.Lookout.
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January 21st, 2010  
YankeeSgt2
 

Topic: You were fools to continue


After losing Gettysburg AND Vicksburg in 2 days. How many Americans were killed in the almost two years it took you to wise up?
January 21st, 2010  
The Other Guy
 
 
Lee was generally smarter than most confederate generals, however Gettysburg proved to be a disaster in that he attacked with a smaller force. The rest of the Confederate Army found the same problem when they attacked and turned it into a battle of numbers, which the much more populous north would win the longer the war went on.

goodoldrebel, it's said that history is written by the victors, and the War Between The States is no exception. They lost the war, therefore they were wrong, and the fact that any battlefield portrays it from a CSA perspective surprises me; I mean, the secession was, by default in the war's end, a treasonous act. Also, Sherman's actions were controversial but they did exactly what they needed to do, and that was demoralize and destroy the CSA from the inside. It was vicious on a Roman Empire level, but it worked.
January 21st, 2010  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Other Guy
I mean, the secession was, by default in the war's end, a treasonous act.
State Govt. passed legal Secession Ordnances, if Treason, why was no one ever tried for it? Fla replaced Suwanee River because it was not P.C. for a white guy to write using what today would be called Ebonics, & use it for the State Song.
January 21st, 2010  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by koalaburger
I think if he had continued flanking the union troops as he moved toward Washington he could have waited until the terrain suited an attack. Giving the enemy the high ground just shows he was believing his own publicity. Hubris brings even the best Generals undone.
It would not have mattered where or when Lee chose to attack as he was an absolutely lousy General on offense besides the further North he moved the more prone to being cut off and destroyed he became.

Had he stayed at home and chosen defense then perhaps the CSA would have lasted longer but in the end the lack of an industrial base and a massive population deficit made the survival of the CSA an impossibility.
January 22nd, 2010  
goodoldrebel
 
Agree with most of the above replies, although I don't think that the south would have definitely succumbed to the same fate if not for gettysburg. Lee remains a sort of cognitive dissonant figure in that he was probably the greatest american and at the same time because of gettysburg he loses admiration. The saddest day in american history is still 9 april 1865 ---more sad than pearl harbor, 911 etc.

Other Guy-- very well said.

George-- interesting info. about the state song
January 22nd, 2010  
LeEnfield
 
 
It was rather like the Germans in WW2, the Southern Armies were good fighters, but in the finish they were out numbered, out gunned, out generaled and generally ground down.
At this stage of the war it would not have made the slightest difference where Lee had fought the end would have still have been the same.
January 22nd, 2010  
MontyB
 
 
In fact I still think Gettysburg was an example of poor leadership by all sides as J.E.B. Stuart completely disappeared at the time he was most needed, Lee and his subordinates seemed to have complete run out of ideas, and Meade basically fell asleep the second the battle was over and let Lee escape when he had ample men and material to destroy him on the North side of the Potomac, possibly the only one to have come out of the battle looking good was General Buford for his delaying actions on the first day of the battle.

(I have no doubt lesser ranked Officers performed well but I am mainly concentrating on senior commanders)
 


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