If Hitler died early? Germany vs Allies - Page 2




 
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January 11th, 2005  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by beardo
I think that if hitler die AFTER the war had started but BEFORE D-Day then the germans would have won. Why? because it was hitlers stubborn-ness and lack of military talent that held the germans up so much in russia....if he would have left it to his generals...the best in the world experience wise..they would have beaten russia..and had their entire army on the western front...that and unlimeted supplies coming from russia and germany
Hi. By 1944 the Germans had ALREADY lost the chance to win the war so whether Hitler dies then or not makes no difference.

Had Hitler died in early 1943 then things may have been different.
January 11th, 2005  
Doppleganger
 
 
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Originally Posted by Earling
Hmmm... Il be honest I have never really been sold on the "blame everything on Hitlers mismanagement" theory as to why the eastern front eventually turned against the germans.

Unless someone really wants to point out how Hitler played a greater part in the german defeat than simple logistical failures and that without Hitler these same logistical failures could have been overcome I fail too see how Hitlers death at almost any stage would really have changed things for the better of the german war effort.
Hi Earling. If you do a search under my name and find some of my posts hopefully that will go some way to explaining why. Hitler was not to blame for everything and far from being an idiot was a very intelligent man with a good grasp of strategy. Also, the Germans did not lose due to simple logistical failures alone, although these did contribute in some way.

Hitler's death in early 1943 may have allowed Germany to negotiate a limited victory with Stalin. Stalin himself apparently offered negotiation at this time but Hitler refused. Also, Hitler's death at this time may have either meant that Operation Zitadelle (Kursk) would have gone ahead earlier or not at all. This battle, along with Stalingrad, is what decided Germany's fate in the East.
January 11th, 2005  
beardo
 
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Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Hi. By 1944 the Germans had ALREADY lost the chance to win the war so whether Hitler dies then or not makes no difference.

Had Hitler died in early 1943 then things may have been different.
I meant if he died after they had gone to war...maybe 1940 or just after they invaded russia

It was his stubborness that cost the germans dearly...he didnt need to take stalingrad...the germans were held back for so long there..and tying up so much armour and men...he should have left it...but it was a personal thing for him and he wanted to take it...against the advice of his generals
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January 11th, 2005  
Darcia
 
Thier was an estimated 44 plots aginast the Fuhrers life during his 'term' in office. Ironicly most of them was not supported by the allies in any way.
January 11th, 2005  
CABAL
 
 
If Hitler was dead sooner, Germany would surely surrender sooner. However many of his close advisors can continue his work through Heinreich Himmler, Geobbels, Goering (However he was addicted to some sort of intoxicating drug). But, the question remains too ambigious and altering history can create an infinite amount of possibilities.
January 11th, 2005  
Darcia
 
I agree with you,
His advisors probably would have kept the war going for a time. Cause Hitler made all the decisions for war so it would be different people coming in making all the decisions wich would change how everything was done. The main thing Hitler dying sooner would do was that it would possibly create a time of mourning in Germany wich would allow the allies to come in and attack.
January 13th, 2005  
gladius
 
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Originally Posted by Darcia
Thier was an estimated 44 plots aginast the Fuhrers life during his 'term' in office. Ironicly most of them was not supported by the allies in any way.
I think the Allies knew that Hitler was an asset to them, maybe thats why they didn't support them.

Ever seen the movie "Dirty Dozen II" they even mention this in there. They even got a chance to kill Hitler himself, their sniper had him in his sights and they all started to argue about who to kill, Hilter, or this other guy standing next to him who was also a danger.... well anyways you have to see the movie.

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Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Hi. By 1944 the Germans had ALREADY lost the chance to win the war so whether Hitler dies then or not makes no difference.

Had Hitler died in early 1943 then things may have been different.
I agree with Dopp here, by 1944 they had already lost the chance to win. However I wonder if the German Generals could still have forced a stalemate, not necaserily winning but merely stopping the Allies form taking over Germany.
January 13th, 2005  
Anya1982
 
 
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Originally Posted by beardo
I think that if hitler die AFTER the war had started but BEFORE D-Day then the germans would have won. Why? because it was hitlers stubborn-ness and lack of military talent that held the germans up so much in russia....if he would have left it to his generals...the best in the world experience wise..they would have beaten russia..and had their entire army on the western front...that and unlimeted supplies coming from russia and germany
Actually hitler failed to invade england......................the dog fights ( battle of britian) state to one of the most tactical part of WW2................ok the germans hit us hard and we ould of lost if hitler kept on that line but instead he turned his pilots to bomb cities in england which then gave the RAF the chance to recoup and end up pushing germans out, they were defeated..............even hitler kept trying to break us and even at our lowest point we still kicked him out.

So i dunno if hitler had the power to get his pilots over to states, cus the planes he used (began with L but can't spell) did not have the distance in them.....but when the germans built the jets engines or the bigger bombers maybe
January 13th, 2005  
beardo
 
they didnt need to defeat us...just stop us from attacking them
January 13th, 2005  
battery
 
Gladius,

In this situation that Hitler was murdered early, who would take over as Reichspräsident? Before Hitler commited suicide he chose Karl Donitz as Reichspräsident because of his huge distrust of Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, it kind of depends on who succeeded Hitler in office to determine whether or not they would have even attempted to make a peace agreement.