Hummvee or Land Rover? - Page 4




View Poll Results :Hummer or Land Rover
Hummer 15 75.00%
Land Rover 5 25.00%
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November 3rd, 2004  
egoz
 

Topic: Re: hummer dont take it of the road


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Originally Posted by Big_Z
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Originally Posted by batsman
During my time i Congo whit a MB Gelenderwagon i spent allot of time waiting for the hummers to get over the mudd rivers that the MB and the landrovers past whiteout any problems but to the hummers advantage i would have to say the drop down axels are god for passing logs or something but when passing mudd they stand still!
You must had seen a hummer rip off or something because there is noway a Gelenderwagon is going to out do a hummer in off-road.
There has to be more to it then crossing a mud river. Mud won't stop a Hummer. What was the situation like? Was it narrow? If it was a river, was it fast flowing water? Was the river bed just mud? There could have been so many different issues that effect the way a vehicle reacts in certain terrain. I find it hard to believe that a LR or G-Wagon out performed a Hummer if it was simply a mud laden river.
November 3rd, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
Neithe rshould get stuck if the driver is any good.
November 3rd, 2004  
rileyrat
 
I know it sounds a little confusing but I will try to simplify. The hummer as 3 transfer settings, 4 if you count Neutral. Setting one is full time 4WD, the power is sent to the wheel that is easiest to turn. Setting two is 4WD high lock, the transfer stays in the same gear ratios but all 4 wheels turn at the same speed. Third setting 4Low, this is when the transfer changes the gear ratios to provide more power. In 4Low all 4 wheels turn at the same speed. Hope that clarifies what I mean about the Full Time 4WD setting. BTW yes, you are correct in the statement that the hummer does not have a 2WD setting so in essence that is what makes it full time 4WD but many civilians don't realize the difference in how the hummer works and how a normal full time 4WD system works.

The traction control system is activated by the brake petal I know this sounds odd but it's how it works. Normally you would not want as much play in the petal as the hummer has but its there just for this purpose. You can prove this by removing one of the propshafts from the differental to the gear hubs by the wheel. While in aforementioned setting one, the hummer will not move when the accelerator is depressed, even when on flat ground. Now, if you press the petal in to just before the brakes activate, the hummer will move with no problems. This will also happen if you remove the brake caliper from the same location, showing that it is a true traction control system and not one of the simple brake controlled "traction control" systems. What happens is the transfer is forced into a setting similar to the high lock (see setting two above) thus allowing you to power past a small obstical or short length of muddy terrain.

My knowledge comes from 9 years of experience as a mechanic in the U.S. Army. I am classified as a artillery mechanic, meaning I have to be in a self-propelled artillery unit, but once you get to your unit you will work on whatever needs to be fixed hehe. A higher level of maintenance ran into a problem on one of my hummers once, it wouldn't move with the front left propshaft out ever though it is a full time 4WD vehicle. But it did learch forward when you pressed back onto the brake petal. I grabbed one of the manuals for it and read up on the drive line system and found out about the traction control system and how it is not brake related. Hope this info helped you guys out
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November 4th, 2004  
batsman
 

Topic: Re: hummer dont take it of the road


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Originally Posted by egoz
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Originally Posted by Big_Z
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Originally Posted by batsman
During my time i Congo whit a MB Gelenderwagon i spent allot of time waiting for the hummers to get over the mudd rivers that the MB and the landrovers past whiteout any problems but to the hummers advantage i would have to say the drop down axels are god for passing logs or something but when passing mudd they stand still!
You must had seen a hummer rip off or something because there is noway a Gelenderwagon is going to out do a hummer in off-road.
There has to be more to it then crossing a mud river. Mud won't stop a Hummer. What was the situation like? Was it narrow? If it was a river, was it fast flowing water? Was the river bed just mud? There could have been so many different issues that effect the way a vehicle reacts in certain terrain. I find it hard to believe that a LR or G-Wagon out performed a Hummer if it was simply a mud laden river.
The times the hummers got stuck in congo was when it whas muddy banks or in swamps and at the same time drove over a rice must be because they are so long

This is a nice pic not from congo but from Bosnia and it is of a hummer stuck where a toyota landcruiser just past http://medlem.spray.se/sniperteam/pa...ummer_fast.jpg
November 4th, 2004  
egoz
 
i was unfamiliar with that type of differential setup and TC on the hummer. but i have a better understanding of it now, thanks.

the hummer doesn't exactly look stuck, what seems to be the problem? is it a clearance thing (which i kind of doubt)? i've heard complaints that it's too wide, but that doesn't seem to be the problem here either.
November 4th, 2004  
USAFAUX2004
 
 
I DK much about the british version, but the american humvee is great when it is safe for the troops