Originally Posted by BritinAfrica

Cameron has already given £1.7 BILLION to the Indian Navy to build up their fleet, yet the cretin is cutting the British Military to the bone. Illegal immigrants get more in hand out then I do state pension, thousands of the elderly die each year because of the p*&ss poor state pension.

He needs to learn the old adage, "Charity begins at home."

There needs to be balance in things like this. Unfortunately some of the liberals really forget what's important at home. Britain has a history of a solid military and it's a shame to see it cut down. Also they need to remember their own. Eventually if you don't take care of your own you won't be able to care for others.

Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk

This crisis is not unique, all armed conflicts creates refugees. The Syrian one has created an exodus and now we have to deal with it. The solution is in Syria, but that doesn't change the flow of refugees right now. People living in a totalitarian state don't rise up against it very easily, the consequences of doing so can be severe and dangerous for them. Therefore, to demand them to deal with it is naive. Why aren't the North Koreans rising up against their rulers? It took a long time for the former communistic countries in Europe to get rid of their totalitarian governments, why? It took a long time for the South American countries to get rid of their military juntas, why? The Cambodians couldn't get rid of Pol Pot until Vietnam intervened militarily. The list goes on and on

So we can read about historical events and learn, but why reading about things when not learning a damn thing? That is a waste of time

No but rather than opening the floodgates by letting them wander around Europe at will they should be rounded up, put in camps (I suggest as close to their origin as possible) and held until they can be sent home.
This should be done in conjunction with an active plan to stabilise the country of origin.

There is an old adage "people get the government there deserve" so if they are prepared to be chickens then don't be surprised when you find a fox running the roost.

Originally Posted by MontyB

No but rather than opening the floodgates by letting them wander around Europe at will they should be rounded up, put in camps (I suggest as close to their origin as possible) and held until they can be sent home.
This should be done in conjunction with an active plan to stabilise the country of origin.

There is an old adage "people get the government there deserve" so if they are prepared to be chickens then don't be surprised when you find a fox running the roost.

I agree with that.

The problem with Cameron is, he is so weak kneed its unbelievable. He reminds me of Neville Chamberlain and his appeasement policy towards Hitler. I hated Thatcher with a passion, but she would never have allowed this BS and PC in UK to get where it is.

Originally Posted by MontyB

No but rather than opening the floodgates by letting them wander around Europe at will they should be rounded up, put in camps (I suggest as close to their origin as possible) and held until they can be sent home.
This should be done in conjunction with an active plan to stabilise the country of origin.

There is an old adage "people get the government there deserve" so if they are prepared to be chickens then don't be surprised when you find a fox running the roost.

The majority of the refugees are in camps around Syria, and now they are leaving them because the NGOs and UNHCR don't have any resources to provide for them anymore.

A plan to stabilize the country must contain something similar as the Marshal plan after the Second World War so it will not create a power vacuum. The Arabic world can do much more, it doesn't need to be the West nor the Russians.

The situation reminds a bit about 1945, but then it was the Jews walking around and nobody wanted to have them in their countries.

This is nothing like 1945 where the majority of the migration were people either trying to go home or being expelled from their homes in the case of Polish and Czech Germans, the Syrians etc. Flooding Europe are simply running away.

The Jews already had homes in countries at peace as they were ethnic Europeans yet chose to invade the Middle East.

There are something like 5.5 million Palestinians in refugee camps since 1947 and no one says a word yet the Syrians go walk about and it is a global crisis.

Originally Posted by MontyB

This is nothing like 1945 where the majority of the migration were people either trying to go home or being expelled from their homes in the case of Polish and Czech Germans, the Syrians etc. Flooding Europe are simply running away.

The Jews already had homes in countries at peace as they were ethnic Europeans yet chose to invade the Middle East.

There are something like 5.5 million Palestinians in refugee camps since 1947 and no one says a word yet the Syrians go walk about and it is a global crisis.

No, nobody wanted the Jews to return to where they came from. They had lost their homes and never got any compensation or new homes.

There are Palestinian who fled to Europe from these refugee camps, especially from Lebanon. They are here and they have been here for awhile now.

Originally Posted by MontyB

This is nothing like 1945 where the majority of the migration were people either trying to go home or being expelled from their homes in the case of Polish and Czech Germans, the Syrians etc. Flooding Europe are simply running away.

The Jews already had homes in countries at peace as they were ethnic Europeans yet chose to invade the Middle East.

There are something like 5.5 million Palestinians in refugee camps since 1947 and no one says a word yet the Syrians go walk about and it is a global crisis.

This is not correct. Most of the refugees from WW2 never made it back to their original homes. ~12 million Germans fleeing the SU were settled in West Germany, this was actually the largest refugee crisis in history. They certainly didn’t originated there but came from Germany’s eastern provinces or were ethnic Germans. The USA’s Marshal Plan put these people back on their feet by providing money for them to rebuild. As for the Jews nobody would take them in and by that time their homes had been reposed. They had no homes to go back to.

Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk

No, nobody wanted the Jews to return to where they came from. They had lost their homes and never got any compensation or new homes.

There are Palestinian who fled to Europe from these refugee camps, especially from Lebanon. They are here and they have been here for awhile now.

Somewhat irrelevant as I simply stated there are 5.5million Palestinians in refugee camps that we have happily ignored since 1947.

Originally Posted by JOC

This is not correct. Most of the refugees from WW2 never made it back to their original homes. ~12 million Germans fleeing the SU were settled in West Germany, this was actually the largest refugee crisis in history. They certainly didn’t originated there but came from Germany’s eastern provinces or were ethnic Germans. The USA’s Marshal Plan put these people back on their feet by providing money for them to rebuild. As for the Jews nobody would take them in and by that time their homes had been reposed. They had no homes to go back to.

I think you should read what I wrote and since I really dont want to derail this thread I wont do anything more than say I disagree with your comment on post war Jewish issues.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Somewhat irrelevant as I simply stated there are 5.5million Palestinians in refugee camps that we have happily ignored since 1947.



I think you should read what I wrote and since I really dont want to derail this thread I wont do anything more than say I disagree with your comment on post war Jewish issues.

The Palestinians fled the refugee camps in the 1980s, so saying they have been ignored is incorrect.

The current crisis, maybe use something similar as how Sweden did back in 1945, go down to Europe and bring Jews to Sweden. But this need to be coordinated with other European countries so we can avoid the trafficking of them, which is rather dangerous for them.

Originally Posted by I3BrigPvSk

The Palestinians fled the refugee camps in the 1980s, so saying they have been ignored is incorrect.

The current crisis, maybe use something similar as how Sweden did back in 1945, go down to Europe and bring Jews to Sweden. But this need to be coordinated with other European countries so we can avoid the trafficking of them, which is rather dangerous for them.

Really, the 1980s you say?
Might want to contact a few of these places and let them know they are no longer there.
Gaza Strip

The Gaza Strip has 8 refugee camps and 1,221,110 registered refugees.

• 1948, Al-Shati (Beach camp), 87,000
• 1949, Bureij, 34,000
• 1948, Deir al-Balah, 21,000
• 1948, Jabalia, 110,000
• 1949, Khan Yunis, 72,000
• 1949, Maghazi, 24,000
• 1949, Nuseirat, 66,000
• 1949, Rafah, 104,000

West Bank

The West Bank has 19 refugee camps and 741,409 registered refugees.

• 1948, Aqabat Jaber, 6,400
• 1948, Ein as-Sultan, 1,900
• 1949, Far'a, 7,600
• 1949, Fawwar, 8,000
• 1949, Jalazone, 11,000
• 1949, Kalandia, 11,000
• 1949, Am'ari, 10,500
• 1949, Deir 'Ammar, 2,400
• 1949, Dheisheh, 13,000
• 1950, Aida, 4,700
• 1950, Al-Arroub, 10,400
• 1950, Askar, 15,900
• 1950, Balata, 23,600
• 1950, 'Azza (Beit Jibrin), 1,000
• 1950, Ein Beit al-Ma' (Camp No. 1), 6,750
• 1950, Tulkarm camp, 18,000
• 1952, Nur Shams, 9,000
• 1953, Jenin camp, 16,000
• 1965, Shuafat camp, 11,000

Syria

Syria has 13 refugee camps and 499,189 registered refugees. Three of these camps are unofficial (*).

• 1948, Sbeineh, 22,600
• 1949, Khan Eshieh (ar), 20,000
• 1948, Neirab, 20,500
• 1949, Homs, 22,000
• 1948, Jaramana camp, 18,658
• 1950, Daraa camp, 10,000
• 1950, Hama camp, 8,000
• 1950, Khan Dannun, 10,000
• 1967, Qabr Essit (ar), 23,700
• 1955-6, Latakia Camp*, 10,000
• 1957, Yarmouk*, 148,500
• 1962, Ein Al-Tal (ar)*, 6,000

Lebanon

There are 12 refugee camps in Lebanon and 448,599 registered refugees.

• 1948, Bourj el-Barajneh, 17,945
• 1948, Ain al-Hilweh, 54,116
• 1948, El Buss, 11,254
• 1949, Nahr al-Bared, 5,857
• 1949, Shatila, 9,842
• 1948, Wavel, 8,806
• 1952, Mar Elias, 662
• 1954, Mieh Mieh, 5,250
• 1955, Beddawi, 16,500
• 1955, Burj el-Shemali, 22,789
• 1956, Dbayeh camp, 4,351
• 1963, Rashidieh, 31,478

Jordan

There are 10 refugee camps in Jordan and 2,034,641 registered refugees.

• 1949, Zarqa camp, 20,000
• 1952, Jabal el-Hussein, 29,000
• 1955, Amman New Camp (Wihdat), 51,500
• 1967, Souf, 20,000
• 1968, Baqa'a, 104,000
• 1968, Husn (Martyr Azmi el-Mufti camp), 22,000
• 1968, Irbid camp, 25,000
• 1968, Jerash camp, 24,000
• 1968, Marka, 53,000
• 1968, Talbieh (it), 7,000