How much body armor is too much? - Page 4




 
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August 31st, 2006  
major liability
 
 
If you worked out a lot and got stronger than the average soldier, would you be able to carry the armor around easily? If so, it would seem like a good way to spend your time. Also, I've seen powered cooling systems for Interceptor vests that actually blow air into it, those might help with the heat, though the batteries might cause a logistics problem. Bring your own, I guess. I know I wouldn't want to be unarmored in Iraq just in case someone decides to take a pot shot at me, but at the same time I've never been burdened with all the equipment and armor so I can't say whether it's worth it or not.
September 1st, 2006  
LeEnfield
 
 
Major Liability.....When you are on foot patrol you are carrying between 50/60lb pound pack, then you have your personal weapon plus all the ammunition you might require for a good fire fight, then there are the hand grenades or rifle grenades, plus a spare belt of ammunition for machine gun and may be a mortar round or two. Then there is all your webbing, your water bottles then you have about 30 to 50 lbs of armour now you are going to march or fight some 30 to 40 miles across a desert in temperatures of around 120'o f, now you want to carry batteries for a cooling fan, one can see just what combat you have had.
September 1st, 2006  
major liability
 
 
I've never claimed any more combat experience than an airsoft game, but isn't not dying better than sweating a lot?
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September 2nd, 2006  
Kirruth
 
 
Well, LeEnfield highlights the current model of the soldier, the so called "Shield of Lead" of approach, the idea that you send so many bullets and high explosive flying towards the enemy, that he keeps his head down and either gives up or is blown to pieces. The problem is always that somebody has to carry all that stuff, it leads to tremendous collateral damage (viz. Lebanon) and keeping such front line soldiers supplied creates tremendous logistical problems.

What we really need in our military doctrines is flexibility, and personal protective equipment plays a part in that. I think the gearing up of our soldiers should start with their body armor and personal weapons and build up from there, up to what they can carry. By definition we send soldiers to where someone might be shooting at them (otherwise we'd send civilians), and "dying without permission" endangers the mission, so protective gear is an essential.

There's got to be a balance though. Wearing everything you need to protect 100pct against blast, flash, fragmentation and ballistic battlefield threats (before we even get started on NBC gear), you'd probably not be able to move. But a better IBA, a helmet that protects against concussive blasts, lightweight flash gear for the hands and face, these should be possible.

The right solution is not to ditch the armor, but to engage the brain of both the soldier and the scientist.
September 2nd, 2006  
LeEnfield
 
 
Major liability......the heat and exhaustion will kill you just as easy a bullet, and I have seen men from heat exhaustion
September 5th, 2006  
AussieNick
 
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Originally Posted by LeEnfield
Major liability......the heat and exhaustion will kill you just as easy a bullet, and I have seen men from heat exhaustion
Prime example. Trooper Lawrence from the 2nd Cavalry Regiment, Australian Army. He died not that long ago from heat exhaustion, carrying a mass of new equipment and protective gear in the Northern Territory.

More armour doesn't mean you will live. All it takes is the shrapnel to hit you in the face, or the round through the femoral artery and your in trouble. The fatigue caused by the equipment, in my opinion, is far more of a battlefield problem. If your exhausted and over loaded, bulky and clumsy you can't fight smart.... and fighting smart is what saves your life, not just kevlar. That is an aide.
September 6th, 2006  
b2ee
 
 
Learn so much from the topic!
September 20th, 2006  
sleepyscout
 
 
I Think the IBA is a great piece of equipment, compared to what we had 5 years ago we have made leaps and bounds in protective equipment. The balance between personal safety and mobility has been a problem since man discovered how to make armor. As a solider I am conditioned to deal with fatigue I run 20miles a week including a 10mile run every Friday I do road marches in full battle rattle I train harder then I fight. My resting heart rate at my last physical was a 51, the human body can be trained to deal with conditions far worse then you can imagine. Remember also that as a leader I choose what goes on a mission, if my soldiers start to become fatigued I will change the packing list. However In the current theater of operations we fight a high mobility war and even light troops have light vehicle support. Making it rare that troops have to carry loads for extended times therefore a 60pound combat load is not overburdening
September 20th, 2006  
LeEnfield
 
 
This is the sort of load a British soldier is expected to carry with him when out in the field. There is more on the floor out of sight

September 20th, 2006  
Big_Z
 
 
Mobility and speed are keys to victory. Shoot, move, communicate as we like to say. That is not easy bogged down with tons of body armor. You dont sit around in the same spot and duke it out, you are constantly trying to move and flank. Not to mention the strain of a full combat load on a long patrol, that shit is not easy no matter how strong you are. Fatigue is a line soldiers worst enemy, combat effectiveness will drop. Sorry if this has already been said, I only caught the last page.