How much advantage will the US military tech still have?




 
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October 2nd, 2004  
whosewar2000
 

Topic: How much advantage will the US military tech still have?


Hey, guys, I asked Flyfrog days ago about laser weapons, so somebody suggest me post a tech topic, Okay, based on my knowledge, the US R&D federal funding is slowing down quickly, instead, private companes get billions dollars. So, even the defense department have more budget and subcontract to private companies for some new weapons and systems, the basic science research dramagically decreased in last 4 years---while, we all know the new weapons are deeply related to basic science research, most private companies have no interest about basic research at all, such as chemistry and physics. I personally feel it is very very short term strategy. So, my question is

How much advantage will US military tech still have --compared with Russia and China in next 5-10 years?
Especially searched some websites telling China's laser weapons system is leading 2-5 years over US. is that true?
Another example is that: there was no super computer from china can be listed in top500.org (the fastest top 500 computers in the world) last year, but this year, they have plenty of them listed overthere!

resource:
http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/infbrief/nsf04307/start.htm
http://www.education.virginia.gov/In...ASpr050103.pdf
http://www.mzos.hr/Download/2004/06/05/Wessner.ppt
http://www.softwar.net/redlite.html
October 2nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
American technology will still be at least a generation ahead Russia and China because it has more money and attracts the most talented scientists and engineers.
October 2nd, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
In terms of aircraft technology the US leads the way by a long margin, even russia doesnt have so technologically advanced planes. but in terms of the army, unless they develop laser weapons ( like the ones in star trek/star wars), personal shields etc. all the stuff you see in sci-fi you cant really advance weapons to far and its quite easy for russia and especilly china to catch up. china are quite a long way behind the US in naval tech.
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October 2nd, 2004  
whosewar2000
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
American technology will still be at least a generation ahead Russia and China because it has more money and attracts the most talented scientists and engineers.

while, the major cost is from salary, right? US,China, Russia pay differently for their engineers or scientist--because living standard are different. say you pay Engieneer 100$/h, Chinese pay his enginneer $10/hour, this does not mean you make him live 10 times better in US than in China, does it?
October 2nd, 2004  
whosewar2000
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowalker
In terms of aircraft technology the US leads the way by a long margin, even russia doesnt have so technologically advanced planes. but in terms of the army, unless they develop laser weapons ( like the ones in star trek/star wars), personal shields etc. all the stuff you see in sci-fi you cant really advance weapons to far and its quite easy for russia and especilly china to catch up. china are quite a long way behind the US in naval tech.
can you show some resources?
October 2nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
No, it's because of R&D, materials, etc.
In terms of pay, the Americans can simply dish out more, and if you throw in all the benefits the company gives its employees, it's a FAR better deal than what the Russians or the Chinese can offer at this moment.
Not to mention, the American technical universities also input a lot of expertise and do research themselves. Basically someone from a US Engineering school will find it easier and more advantageous to get into a US engineering company and using internships actually get work experience while studying.

Right now America simply has too many advantages over Russia and China for those two to catch up that quickly.
Also with Russia you have the chronic economic problems.

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Originally Posted by whosewar2000

can you show some resources?
You can look it up by comparing the American cruisers with Chinese cruisers. Then the American destroyers with Chinese destroyers. And then American Carriers with.... oh right the Chinese don't have any.
And then you can compare combat jets.
Then you can compare combat tanks.
Basically in technological fields, American superiority is too staggering to go unnoticed.

Not to mention American communication networks and equipment.
The difference in the American Command and Control centers opposed to the Chinese counterparts.
October 2nd, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 
Firstly, whosewar, this is the last time i shuffle topics around. Read the little description under the forum rooms, and post accordingly, or I will delete your posts. As to the topic, I think you guys might be missing the big picture. The USA has a good advantge in the weaponary field(tanks planes, MLRS, etc.)....But IMHO that is not hte main thing. The important thing is EW, Command and Controll, and comunication. In these fields the USA has a lot of stuff the Russians and Chinese just dont. The Chinese can blind a US tank crew, but while their Betallion Commander wont be able to see where his troops and AFVs are. At the same time, his US opponent will see all his units on a screen, with location, status and all he needs to make a good decision....That is much more important than a 105mm or 120mm...
October 2nd, 2004  
whosewar2000
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
No, it's because of R&D, materials, etc.
In terms of pay, the Americans can simply dish out more, and if you throw in all the benefits the company gives its employees, it's a FAR better deal than what the Russians or the Chinese can offer at this moment.
Not to mention, the American technical universities also input a lot of expertise and do research themselves. Basically someone from a US Engineering school will find it easier and more advantageous to get into a US engineering company and using internships actually get work experience while studying.
But I know almost ALL UNIVERISTIES met major finacial crisis these years across U.S.A.
UCLA, for example, increased their tuition in crazy 2004 fall. Not mention R&D funding.

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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
Firstly, whosewar, this is the last time i shuffle topics around. Read the little description under the forum rooms, and post accordingly, or I will delete you
So, military technology does not belong to military related? I am confused. I can only talk whose soldier kill best?


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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck

You can look it up by comparing the American cruisers with Chinese cruisers. Then the American destroyers with Chinese destroyers. And then American Carriers with.... oh right the Chinese don't have any.
And then you can compare combat jets.
Then you can compare combat tanks.
Basically in technological fields, American superiority is too staggering to go unnoticed.

Not to mention American communication networks and equipment.
The difference in the American Command and Control centers opposed to the Chinese counterparts.

I am saying in next 5-10 years, not right now?! I amsaying the trend
October 2nd, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SHERMAN
Firstly, whosewar, this is the last time i shuffle topics around. Read the little description under the forum rooms, and post accordingly, or I will delete your posts. As to the topic, I think you guys might be missing the big picture. The USA has a good advantge in the weaponary field(tanks planes, MLRS, etc.)....But IMHO that is not hte main thing. The important thing is EW, Command and Controll, and comunication. In these fields the USA has a lot of stuff the Russians and Chinese just dont. The Chinese can blind a US tank crew, but while their Betallion Commander wont be able to see where his troops and AFVs are. At the same time, his US opponent will see all his units on a screen, with location, status and all he needs to make a good decision....That is much more important than a 105mm or 120mm...
I mentioned the communications part.
I don't think he'll quite understand all that Electronics Warfare bit.
And I did mention Command and Control. The American version is simply lightyears ahead of the Chinese counterparts.

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Originally Posted by whosewar2000
But I know almost ALL UNIVERISTIES met major finacial crisis these years across U.S.A.
UCLA, for example, increased their tuition in crazy 2004 fall. Not mention R&D funding.
The R&D funding is usually granted to the Universities from partner programs. It's not from school funding at all. Universities having a financial crisis has nothing to do with it really. As long as the school has a program with a good reputation, companies will invest in their people.

Short and simple whosewar, the Chinese and the Russians aren't going to "save" you any time soon.

Quote:
Originally Posted by whosewar2000


I am saying in next 5-10 years, not right now?! I amsaying the trend
Nah it's not going to change that quickly.
October 2nd, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...117/index.html (American))
http://www.airforce-technology.com/p...u27/index.html (Russian/Chinese)


http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...rke/index.html (American)
http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...nny/index.html (Russian/Chinese)

http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...ssn/index.html (American)

I think most people would agree that the american systems are better than the russian/chinese systems. I dont work in area 51 so i dont know what is being developed there but i would bet that whatever is there is more technologically advanced than anything the chinese have. Mainly because the amerians have the money, experience to develop better than the chionese who have had to reverse engineer past russian technology until recently anddont have the background that the US has.