How Do You Feel About the UN? - Page 2




View Poll Results :How do You Feel About the UN?
Yeah they're good... Get a lot of work done. 3 12.50%
Argue too much, don't get work done, it's like putting enemies in one room. 17 70.83%
Don't know. 4 16.67%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

 
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Boots
 
August 5th, 2009  
Chukpike
 
If anyone is interested about learning more about the UN try visiting the United Nations website. Of course, it is available in languages besides English.

http://www.un.org/en/

One of the most interesting departments is the Department of Political Affairs:

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpa/
August 5th, 2009  
Tovarish1
 
 
But doesn't the UN have those peacekeepers? You know the ones in the light blue helmets? They're not considered military are they? But yeah I sort of made a mistake there by saying "stop" wars. But as TomTom said, it's a waste because they're not doing what they're suppose to due to their constant arguing. Putting Iran and the US in one room LOL sure that'll help.
August 5th, 2009  
Mikefrombelgium
 
 
i would not call the UN anti-american since they have such an influence in it.

but these last few years the UN has not done anything and i think its a waste of money. Europeans now have the European union and the Eurocorps and allied western nations have NATO and those do much better work (but have lost of room for improvment )
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Boots
August 5th, 2009  
GG9909
 
 
I agree. They need to get tougher and never mind being dainty.
August 5th, 2009  
A Can of Man
 
 
The UN worked one time in terms of security: the Korean War.
Can't really say I remember the UN being able to pull off a successful collective security effort after that.
The quieter sides of the UN that don't get a lot of press do help millions of people across the globe.
Unfortunately it's the noisier side that deals with diplomacy and peacekeeping that get all the press and gives everyone the impression that the UN is some kind of dog and pony show.
Having said that, I wasn't very happy with the UN folks when I was in Southeast Asia. They didn't have the sort of mission humility that other organizations like CARE and USAID had. Their snobbish attitude was just disgusting and made you want to just slit their throats and take their cargo. Didn't even share their food or offer a seat even. But considering the sheer volume of aid they got the people in need, can't say it's a total failure.
The total failure was waiting and time wasting until the folks in East Timor ran out of ammunition and things to blow up, then marching in and pretending like it had brought peace to the area.

As for UN peacekeepers, it's not a standing army or anything. They're units loaned from various countries to carry out operations for the UN. Exactly how the whole system works, I don't know.
August 5th, 2009  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikefrombelgium
i would not call the UN anti-american since they have such an influence in it.

but these last few years the UN has not done anything and i think its a waste of money. Europeans now have the European union and the Eurocorps and allied western nations have NATO and those do much better work (but have lost of room for improvment )
The problem is that they cant do anything because of politics.

Seriously get 220 of your friends together and try and agree on something to do and then when you do have some agreement run it past 20 randomly chosen friends of both sides to get their agreement (aka the security council) then just to make sure it all falls over run that result past 5 other people who have a vested interest in getting different results (aka the permanent members).

If you want to give teeth to the UN all you have to do is get rid of the 5 permanent members and make everything a majority vote in the general assembly with the security council acting as a facilitator for the result.

The up side of that is that you will have an organisation that acts on the will of the majority of nations (what could be fairer) of course that would make 5 nations very uneasy when they found they couldn't paralyse the UN with their own national politics and then blame the UN for failing to do something.
August 5th, 2009  
Tovarish1
 
 
Hey Mike, the only reason the EU was formed was because each country had a different currency and it was a pain in the butt to export/import goods from country to country because you had to pay a different currency just to get into the country, so the EU just made it so that Euros became the currency. But yeah the Eurocorps. is kinda like the UN for Europe lol.
August 5th, 2009  
Padre
 
 
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Originally Posted by Chukpike
I think you mean after WWII. The League of Nations was formed after WWI and disappeared when it failed to stop WWII.
Thanks for the history lesson, but I actually and deliberately do mean "after WWI." I wanted to refer and did refer to the "idea" of a "united nations" forum. The concept of the UN was born well before 1945/46 in the L of N, but the latter included the US whereas the US Senate defeated President Wilson's dream of the US joining the L of N.
August 5th, 2009  
Mikefrombelgium
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
The problem is that they cant do anything because of politics.

Seriously get 220 of your friends together and try and agree on something to do and then when you do have some agreement run it past 20 randomly chosen friends of both sides to get their agreement (aka the security council) then just to make sure it all falls over run that result past 5 other people who have a vested interest in getting different results (aka the permanent members).

If you want to give teeth to the UN all you have to do is get rid of the 5 permanent members and make everything a majority vote in the general assembly with the security council acting as a facilitator for the result.

The up side of that is that you will have an organisation that acts on the will of the majority of nations (what could be fairer) of course that would make 5 nations very uneasy when they found they couldn't paralyse the UN with their own national politics and then blame the UN for failing to do something.

i'm hearing you on the majority vote, but as you say those 5 permanent members wouldnt go with it. glad i'm not a politician
August 5th, 2009  
Mikefrombelgium
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tovarish1
Hey Mike, the only reason the EU was formed was because each country had a different currency and it was a pain in the butt to export/import goods from country to country because you had to pay a different currency just to get into the country, so the EU just made it so that Euros became the currency. But yeah the Eurocorps. is kinda like the UN for Europe lol.

hehe yeah but i hope it will be more active then UN troops.

but they havent been tested yet, so we willl have to wait and see
 


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