How effective are Heavy Tanks In conventional warfare ?

kotakk

kotakk

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I was wondering,as all of you guys are Military guys,in conventional warfare,with almost all types of armours being penetrateable
.How effective are heavy tanks like the T-90 etc.
 
Very.
As proved by all conflicts in recent times.

If you say, "well, the armor is penetratable."
Then consider this:
-Every soldier is shootable
-Every plane is downable
-Every ship is sinkable
-Every missile is foolable

Truth is, tank armor isn't that easy to penetrate... and not to mention, the weapons to do so aren't flowing around like crazy. The RPG-7 is hardly sufficient enough to seriously take out a modern heavy tank like the M-1A1.
 
If you say, "well, the armor is penetratable."
Then consider this:
-Every soldier is shootable
-Every plane is downable
-Every ship is sinkable
-Every missile is foolable
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lol, but they have other means to defend themselves whereas the main defence mechanism of a tank is its armour.And i think you cannot compare these things in general.
 
I don't classify tanks like the T-90 as heavy.

Heavy tanks in my mind are tanks like the German Elefant of late WW2, King Tiger and KV-* Soviet Heavy Tanks.

I don't think 'Heavy' tank really applies to any tank currently in use.
 
Well for all practical purposes, the M-1 series, Leopards etc. pretty much are heavy tanks. They're a chore to transport, they are pretty heavy and heck, there's nothing really heavy enough out there to put them in a higher weight class bracket.
As for the others having countermeasures etc. The tank can shoot smoke screens and flares.
But as in most situations, tanks will require good infantry support.
 
m-1s are MBT, they dont weigh as much and seems lighter.

leopards, challenger 2 and t-90 are heavy, tehy weigh more than 60 tons, armed with 125-120mm guns, 1500+ engine

i miss the good ol days of kingtigers
 
Flak88 wrote:

m-1s are MBT, they dont weigh as much and seems lighter.

leopards, challenger 2 and t-90 are heavy, tehy weigh more than 60 tons, armed with 125-120mm guns, 1500+ engine
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With respect, you are wrong. check your sources and find ut that the M1A2 are about the same weight as the rest of them(the M1A2 weighs 68 tonns, i believe). All of them are MBTs.
 
Thank you Sherman, that was my point.

Also I'm not a big fan of the bigger and heavier etc etc etc. There's just so much more you need to consider.
What makes a tank practical? Well it depends on the mission it's designed for.
As for the weaknesses of the tank, well, there's a lot of weaknesses for everyone, except the stealth fighter it seems ... for now anyways.
 
Xion said:
lol, but they have other means to defend themselves whereas the main defence mechanism of a tank is its armour.And i think you cannot compare these things in general.
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tanks are never alone. they are always mixed. and im sure have protection other than armor at all times.
 
Tanks have smoke screens, flares, maybe even chaff (though that I'm not sure of). Also it's got protection with its own infantry around it etc.
 
Tanks ave all sorts of electronic warefare on them. and more can be added in the future. but you cant use EW against an RPG or HEAT round, which is why you have armor as well...
 
Tanks also have that big gun for defense...a dead thing can't shoot at you.

Unless you're dealing with zombies, and that's when you call Bruce Campbell.
 
Must I teach you guys everything.

M1/IPM1

Length: 32.04 ft.

Width:12.0 ft

Height: 7.79 ft

Top Speed: 45.0 mph

Weight: 61.4/62.8 tons

Armament: 105mm

M1A1:

Length: 32.04 ft.

Width:12.0 ft

Weight: 8.0 ft

Top Speed: 41.5 mph

Weight: 67.6 tons

Armament: 120mm

M1A2:

Length: 32.04 ft.

Width:12.0 ft

Weight: 8.0 ft

Top Speed: 41.5 mph

Weight: 68.4 tons

Armament: 120mm

M1A2 SEP:

Length: 32.04 ft.

Width:12.0 ft

Weight: 8.0 ft

Top Speed: 42 mph

69.5 tons

Armament: 120mm

Ammunition Types:

APFSDS

Sabot

HEAT

MPAT

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