How did Westerner look at Chinese in Korean War? - Page 4




 
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February 22nd, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
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Originally Posted by AA
well why didnt u say so
it should be called a infantry based offensive
anyhow, ya, once you go with it, u cant stop
You mean you have been denying China's use of wave tactics all this time without actually knowing what was being referred to?

The reason it is called "wave tactics" is that it relies on overwhelming masses to be thrown at an objective, one group at a time - Much like waves on the ocean beating against the shore. "Infantry based offense", under most circumstances, operates with a far greater level of consideration for the lives of its soldiers. If you are poorly equipped, but significantly outnumber your enemy, selective use of wave tactics can be very useful.

I am still of the opinion that the use of such tactics out to be an absolute last resort. If you know you need such tactics to succeed in an invasion, then you ought to forego that invasion. It is just a matter of respect and consideration for the lives of your own soldiers.
February 22nd, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
well, if uve got only infantry, then its only logical u use them for attacks

the infantry attacks of pla however, consists of storm troopers ( aks, ppshs, grenades) regular infantry and field troops

for example, during the battle of huaihai the an encirclement had some 300, 000 troops attacking into one area
February 22nd, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
One of the most important things China has managed to do has been learning from mistakes. Because of the inefficient and less effective nature of massive wave tactics with poorly equipped and poorly trained soldiers, China failed to achieve total victory in Korea. They took their enemy completely by surprise and they were highly successful at first, but ultimately superior technology, equipment and training pushed them backward. UN forces were able to bomb advancing Chinese columns at will. Carpet bombing, napalm, gasoline bombs ... whatever it took to keep them from making it to the front line. They still managed to effectively hold the line and the war ground to a stalemate. North Korea owes its existence to China and the PLA, but at some level the Chinese must have realized - That many Chinese men should not have needed to die.

We can see this in the modern PLA. They are pushing for a better trained, better equipped army with less reliance on massive numbers and more emphasis on having high quality forces. They are not yet completely caught up in equipment. They may lack some things that European and American forces have, but they are working at it. In future conflicts, I think we can expect to see China implement wiser tactics and win battles with their wits and combined arms, on top of their strength in numbers.
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February 23rd, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
ya, we win usually by wits, while most other armies rely on equipment and training

wits as in strategy and tactics
February 24th, 2005  
Snauhi
 
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Originally Posted by AA
ya, we win usually by wits, while most other armies rely on equipment and training

wits as in strategy and tactics
what have China won?...with wits..
February 25th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
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Originally Posted by Snauhi
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Originally Posted by AA
ya, we win usually by wits, while most other armies rely on equipment and training

wits as in strategy and tactics
what have China won?...with wits..
won a buffer zone between U.S and its allies and China..

and also won a small but very useful ally , North korea, constantly causing trouble for U.S to get china away from US's attention.. also using north korea as a card in the taiwan issue
February 25th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
i disagree that chinese soldiers just fighting with numbers and nothing else.


when first entering North korea, they skillfuly hide over 200 thousands ppl and go behind MacArthur's army without being noticed, and ambushed americans,

and punching americans right back to 38th and even captured South korean capital for a while
February 25th, 2005  
Zucchini
 
I agree that people are exaggerating their reliance on human waves.

They did use them, but they also made some brilliant military moves while working from a distinct disadvantage - no air support.

Rapid encirclements, highly disciplined troop movements with primitive communications, and excellent mortar tactics - they took on seasoned American Generals and accomplished what those Generals had insisted was impossible.
February 25th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
remember that during the korean war china had pretty crummy logistics, being able to support 300000 troops is a feat that should be remembered well
February 25th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
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Originally Posted by Zucchini
I agree that people are exaggerating their reliance on human waves.

They did use them, but they also made some brilliant military moves while working from a distinct disadvantage - no air support.

Rapid encirclements, highly disciplined troop movements with primitive communications, and excellent mortar tactics - they took on seasoned American Generals and accomplished what those Generals had insisted was impossible.
i think the human wave shit really starts after the battle line is at roughly the 38th parralle.....when western forces "wake" up from the shock of the coming of Chinese...

than chinese are forced to fight under lack of nearly everything (basically bare-handed sometimes)..against U.S forces..

chinese also defended against western forces, and they fought just as brave as Americans despite lack of fire power...