How to defeat a guerrila war - Page 3




 
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December 27th, 2004  
Guaripa
 
On the request of DTOp


The first is an observation, actually highly debated in private and public media. And it can be traced back to WW1, when the nationsof the world (business) decided to devided up the world.

The second statement, also discussed in public media, accured not long ago before we went to Irak, and a release of information will give you the details. (NPR, Meet the Press)

It seems that not many keep up with investigative resources. As I believed that many here would know this. I do alot of research and sometimes take for granted others also do.

I do apoligize since I always get Angola (Portugal) and Algiers (France) mixed up.

However some historical facts :

The Movie is called "The Battle for Algiers"
True-to-life chronicle of the Algerian people's struggle to overthrow the French Colonial Government in the mid-1950s. The focus is thrown on the leaders of the Liberation Movement and the French general who is driven obsessively with catching them. There is also a book.


When French forces captured the port in 1830, Algiers had less than 40,000 inhabitants. Algiers became headquarters for the Allied forces in North Africa in World War II, as well as for Charles de Gaulle's provisional French government. An anti-French uprising in the city in 1954 provided a major spark in the Algerian armed struggle for independence. In May, 1958, Algiers was the principal scene of a revolt by European colonists and the French army that ended the Fourth French Republic and returned de Gaulle to power. During the final months before Algeria won independence (1962), bombings by the French Organization of the Secret Army damaged industrial and communications facilities in Algiers. In 1973 a major conference of nonaligned nations was held there.



Also read the following :

PARIS 1919
by Margaret MacMillan

THE BATTLE OF THE CASBAH
by Paul Aussaresses General

11TH MONTH, 11TH DAY, 11TH HOUR
by Joseph E. Persico

I hope this helps, usually I get paid for this kind of docuementation...LOL
December 27th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guaripa
It seems that not many keep up with investigative resources. As I believed that many here would know this. I do alot of research and sometimes take for granted others also do.

Read the forum rules, regardless of what you think of the research abilities of the other members, it is your own responsibility to provide sources for your claims. As you "get paid" for this work normally, I am sure you are familiar with the citation of sources.
December 27th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
I think there is alot of solutions to find out about defeating a gerilla war thrue History. If you want to solve something like Iraq? Take a look at Adolf Hitler - and how he came to power. You can silence every opposition if you really want to, belive me, you can do it. It may not look so nice afterwards in the History books, but I ask myselfe one question? How did Saddam Hussein rule Iraq before this? Maby it was necessary in some parts of that country? What do I know? Only History will tell I think.

Cheers:
Doc.S
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December 27th, 2004  
devilwasp
 
Sadam was put in by us , aka the UK. thats right good old britain done that!
You defeat a Guerilla by makeing them out to be the bad guys, use propaganda to its fullest. Use regular troops on patrol to make it look like you have won the war. Do unwanted acts of charity while increaseing security.
December 27th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
To rule the people must either love you, or fear you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc.S
I think there is alot of solutions to find out about defeating a gerilla war thrue History. If you want to solve something like Iraq? Take a look at Adolf Hitler - and how he came to power. You can silence every opposition if you really want to, belive me, you can do it. It may not look so nice afterwards in the History books, but I ask myselfe one question? How did Saddam Hussein rule Iraq before this? Maby it was necessary in some parts of that country? What do I know? Only History will tell I think.

Cheers:
Doc.S
December 27th, 2004  
xman
 
We, Turks struggled a huge of calamity for over ten years.Finally, first in the world We managed to defeat a guerilla war and annihilated most of them.The rest of Kurdish guerillas are thrown out from our land to the Northern Iraq.
This war can be succesful If it has been struggled of mortal for everywhere in the whole country.In that way We never allow to get life and no space to guerillas in anywhere of our country.







December 28th, 2004  
Snauhi
 
yes but this is a other type of geurilla war x-man, its a totaly different thing if you occupy a country
December 28th, 2004  
Guaripa
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc.S
you want to solve something like Iraq? Take a look at Adolf Hitler - and how he came to power.
Cheers:
Doc.S
AH came to power legally, and was apointed legally by the then president as Chancellor. He understood that to reamain in the path he was he would never gain power.


See

Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich by William L. Shirer
The Coming of the Third Reich by Richard J. Evans
The Anatomy of Fascism By Robert O. Paxton
December 29th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
The biggest problem with confronting guerilla warfare is that you will virtually always come off looking like the bad guy. Combatting guerilla warfare requires striking at its source -- the very citizens of the nation. Nations like the United States are probably too ethical to be successful. Only killing or inprisoning insurgents makes martyrs out of them in virtually any society.

Consider the older historical methods used against guerilla warfare. If the problem is sufficient then every close friend or family member of an insurgent would be brutally executed. Captured insurgents would be tortured to death. In short -- there was plenty of reason to think twice about being involved in guerilla warfare because the consequences were so extreme. A lot more was on the line than your own life. The people of the nation might hate you for it, but governments like that seldom ever experienced guerilla uprisings. Those that did occur were wiped out very quickly. The USA has no stomach whatsoever for adopting such methods.

Alternately, you can do your utmost to ensure that everyone loves you. That's equally impossible. There will always be someone that hates you.
December 30th, 2004  
liukainorth
 
It depends on your purpose behinds defeating the guerrila war. If you just want to have a geological occupation, then ultra cruelty sure will work .
But if you try to win their heart, the the culture gap between the occupation force and the insurgent force already make it impossible.