Hitler's involvement in Holocaust - Page 2




 
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December 31st, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by George
There's people here apologising for slavery that ended 150 years ago & all involved are long dead.Guess it's just part of modern thought.
Yes, I must agree,... but perhaps more like "modern lack of thought"

Part of that guilt trip visited upon us by the Politically Correct minority.
December 31st, 2009  
Yin717
 
 
Well....to answer your question. No one actually knows if he ordered the holocaust. We know he ordered the tormenting of the jews but no one actually knows if he signed an agreement for the death camps. This is because there is no written evidence to suggest this and the people in charge actually said it was in the interest of the Fuhrer not that the Fuhrer ordered. If Hitler had lived for the Nurembeurg trials it would have been highly unlikely that he would have been executed for the holocaust.
December 31st, 2009  
senojekips
 
 
Bearing in mind that Hitler micromanaged his subordinates and that virtually nothing occurred without his approval, I think that you are probably wrong.

Whether he was executed for the Holocaust or not, is moot, as he authorised the commission of so many atrocities it is only a guess as to what they would have actually ordered his execution for. Probably a string of charges so long they would still be reading them out.
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December 31st, 2009  
wolfen
 
I'm not, I refuse to apologize for something I DID NOT DO, or have any part of. Like the Third Reich, I refuse to Apologize for that too, as in I had no part of it.
January 1st, 2010  
rattler
 
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
Bearing in mind that Hitler micromanaged his subordinates and that virtually nothing occurred without his approval, -snip-
Whether he was executed for the Holocaust or not, is moot...-snip-
Sorry, just entered the thread here, and I do not find the reference to *Executed*?

We *know* what happened, here the doku: http://www.warandtactics.com/smf/the-lounge-get-a-beer-go-off-topic/funny-videospictures!/msg11424/#msg11424

Happy new year!

Rattler
January 1st, 2010  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rattler
Sorry, just entered the thread here, and I do not find the reference to *Executed*?

We *know* what happened, here the doku: http://www.warandtactics.com/smf/the-lounge-get-a-beer-go-off-topic/funny-videospictures!/msg11424/#msg11424

Happy new year!

Rattler
Hi Rattler,

My apologies, I did not make myself clear, as i was answering the post above where Yin717 stated
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Originally Posted by Yin717
If Hitler had lived for the Nurembeurg trials it would have been highly unlikely that he would have been executed for the holocaust.
January 5th, 2010  
Yin717
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
Bearing in mind that Hitler micromanaged his subordinates and that virtually nothing occurred without his approval, I think that you are probably wrong.

Whether he was executed for the Holocaust or not, is moot, as he authorised the commission of so many atrocities it is only a guess as to what they would have actually ordered his execution for. Probably a string of charges so long they would still be reading them out.
This is true, he had good control over his men yet there is no substantial evidence meaning we can not prove it, which is what I am stating. However he was very much content on focusing on the armed forces rather than the SS during the war so I think he may have had little interest in what was happening to the jews so long as they were 'taken care of'.
January 5th, 2010  
senojekips
 
 
I cannot understand how you come to the conclusion that he had little interest in the Jews, they were a major "interest" of his from the earliest days, only surpassed I think, by his desire to regain Germany's "rightful" place in the world and free it from the crippling debt and conditions imposed by the Versailles Treaty.

My main point being that none of the camps would have ever even been built without his approval.
January 6th, 2010  
Yin717
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senojekips
I cannot understand how you come to the conclusion that he had little interest in the Jews, they were a major "interest" of his from the earliest days, only surpassed I think, by his desire to regain Germany's "rightful" place in the world and free it from the crippling debt and conditions imposed by the Versailles Treaty.
Oh no, I'm not saying that. He did care very much, but with the war going if he new they were be taken care of then why should he spend so much time on them when he had a war to fight?

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Originally Posted by senojekips
My main point being that none of the camps would have ever even been built without his approval.
Well, weren't many of them actually converted from concentration camps to death camps? Also at the start of the war, this will probably support your theory, the SS followed behind the army and would round up the Jews before shooting them. But then again, who needs Hitler's approval for that so long as he was told by Himmler that the Jews were being taken care of?

An interesting thing to find out would be if there was a picture, hidden somewhere, of Hitler at a death camp or at Jewish execution places to prove that he knew about it.
January 6th, 2010  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yin717
Oh no, I'm not saying that. He did care very much, but with the war going if he new they were be taken care of then why should he spend so much time on them when he had a war to fight?



Well, weren't many of them actually converted from concentration camps to death camps? Also at the start of the war, this will probably support your theory, the SS followed behind the army and would round up the Jews before shooting them. But then again, who needs Hitler's approval for that so long as he was told by Himmler that the Jews were being taken care of?

An interesting thing to find out would be if there was a picture, hidden somewhere, of Hitler at a death camp or at Jewish execution places to prove that he knew about it.
I'm afraid that I can't go on with this conversation.

To imply that Hitler may not have known about the death camps and approved them personally flies in the face of all the known facts. The same with the Einsatzgruppen.

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Private diaries of Goebbels and Himmler unearthed from the secret Soviet archives show that Adolf Hitler personally ordered the mass extermination of the Jews during a meeting of Nazi German regional governors in the chancellery. As Goebbels wrote "With regards to the Jewish question, the Fuhrer decided to make a clean sweep ..."
Source:http://www.auschwitz.dk/Auschwitz.htm
 


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