Hitler 'ordered pope kidnapped'

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But leading German general refused to obey order, newspaper says

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) -- Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler gave one of his generals a direct order to kidnap Pope Pius XII during World War II but the officer did not obey, Italy's leading Roman Catholic newspaper reported.

Avvenire, which is owned by the Italian Conference of Roman Catholic bishops, said new details of the plot had emerged in documents presented to the Vatican in favor of putting the controversial wartime Pontiff on the road to sainthood.

Elements of alleged plots to abduct the pope during Germany's occupation of Italy have already emerged in the past from some historians, but Avvenire's full-page report said its details were new.

Avvenire said Hitler feared the pope would be an obstacle to his plans for global domination and because the dictator wanted to eventually abolish Christianity and impose National Socialism as a sort of new global religion.

The newspaper said a plot that was code named Operation Rabat had originally been planned for 1943 but was not carried out that year for unspecified reasons.

It said that in 1944, shortly before the Germans retreated from Rome, SS General Karl Friedrich Otto Wolff, a senior occupation officer in Italy, had been ordered by Hitler to kidnap the pope.

According to the newspaper, Wolff returned to Rome from his meeting with Hitler in Germany and arranged for a secret meeting with the pope. Wolff went to the Vatican in civilian clothes at night with the help of a priest.

The newspaper said Wolff told the pope of Hitler's orders and assured him he had no intention of carrying them out himself, but warned the pontiff to be careful "because the situation (in Rome) was confused and full of risks."

Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini had already fallen and set up a German-backed puppet regime in northern Italy. The German occupation of Rome was in its dying days. Allied forces were advancing on the capital, which they liberated on June 5, 1944.

As a test of Wolff's good faith, Pope Pius asked for him to free two Italian resistance leaders who had been condemned to death. Wolff arranged for them to be released, the paper said.
Road to sainthood

Avvenire said the details of the plot are in testimony Wolff gave before he died in Germany to Church officials accumulating evidence to back efforts to have Pius eventually made a saint.

But the reports of Hitler's contempt for Pius have contrasted with other versions by historians and authors who have depicted Pius as being pro-German and have accused him of intentionally turning a blind eye to the Holocaust.

The Vatican's procedures to put Pius on the road to sainthood have not been slowed or shelved despite concerns from Jews, and they will enter a new phase in March when Vatican historians will begin discussing many volumes of documentation.

The Vatican maintains that Pius did not speak out more strongly because he feared it would worsen the fate of Catholics and Jews, and that he worked behind the scenes to save Jews.

Pius's pontificate has been one of the trickiest problems in post-war Catholic-Jewish relations.

In 1998, there was widespread Jewish discontent with a Vatican document called "We Remember, a Reflection on the Shoah," which effectively absolved Pius of accusations that he facilitated the Holocaust by remaining silent.

But the current pontiff, Pope John Paul, has strongly defended Pius and once called him "a great pope."

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that's what I thought.

Does anyone have any thoughts on Pope Pius XII becoming a Saint? I know more than a few people said he was in the same bed as the Nazis. Anyone who is Jewish hates the man for being silent on the Holocaust
 
Yeah like speaking out would've helped them any. It'd just have added several million Catholics to the list and there were enough as it was.
 
Not suprising. Hitler would have done everything to create his world nation. Hitler probably had a poor choice of people to carry out missions though.
 
get pope will probably make him lose even more popularity in germany,

although lots of propoganda, i belive there is still god in most of German people's hearts
 
Sexybeast said:
get pope will probably make him lose even more popularity in germany,

although lots of propoganda, i belive there is still god in most of German people's hearts

Do you believe that most German's are inherently evil then but do have a little bit of good in them or something?

Avvenire said Hitler feared the pope would be an obstacle to his plans for global domination and because the dictator wanted to eventually abolish Christianity and impose National Socialism as a sort of new global religion.

You know, I always felt that the Nazi's were in fact very devout Christians but with a very warped sense of how to worship god. After all, the secret SS meetings had much in common with early Christian gatherings in how they were conducted, and Hitler was trying to steal all of the sacred relics of Cristendom, the Holy Lance, the Holy Grail (if it exists) the Ark of the Covenant I believe, and many more, some of which were stolen and supposedly have yet to be recovered.
 
Well actualy the A Nail and a spear from Christ crucifiction were reportedly evacuated from a muesem before the city fell to keep hitler from getting them.
 
hitler and vatican had strong connections.cardinal alois stepinc is saint alois and it has been proved that he personaly was present when some war crimes ocured, he even took part in some. after the war vatican was helping nazis to escape to south america. but on the other hand hitler was crazy and who knows what was he planing in last few years of war.
 
i just wanted to say as a Catholic that the criticism of the church during the holocast are completly off base. There are many pieces of history that prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Pope Pius XII went to extreme limits to save Jews from Nazi death camps and protest Germany and its racist policies throughout not just his time as the Pontiff but also in the years before the war while the vatican secretary of state and a powerful church leader. Here is some of the evidence of the great kindness Pius displayed toward Jews throughout his life and his opposition to Nazism.

this website is really good for quotes from the Pope and his speeches and quotes from his supporters of the time, many of whom were jewish which dispells the absurd notion that one poster had that all Jews hate Pius. As you can see in the article, some of Pius Jewish supporters were Einstein, Chaim Weizmann (Isreals first president), Moshe Sharett (Isreals second prime minister), Rabbi Isaac Herzog (chief rabbi of Israel), Marcus Melchior (the chief rabbi of Denmark) and the cheif rabbi of Rome who converted to catholicism after first hand witnessing the Popes kindness toward Jews.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/dalin.html

and a list of more websites
http://www.ewtn.com/library/chistory/PIUS12.htm

in fact, estimates are that the Pope saved at least 700,000 Jews from extermination and possibly as much as 860,000 and more making him responsible for the saving the lifes of more Jews than any other man at the time.
 
But thier is also a lot of evidence that points to someone within the Vatican helping some Nazi's escape. Not the Pope but people within it did help.
 
lol..it was a grammar mistake, dont take it seriously..


i am sure taht most of German ppl in WW2 were not bad enough to agree to kidnap pope..
 
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