Hiroshima debate? - Page 2




 
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August 3rd, 2005  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by Craftsman
I have to disagree, Japan was on the defensive. It's ports were mined and it's ofensive abilities shattered, sure an invasion would have caused alot of allied casualties so why not just sit back and do nothing. It isn't like the allies were short on time.
To what ends?
Sure Japan was going to lose, but how long would it have taken for them to figure out had the allies sat back and waited for Japan to surrender countless Japanese would have more than likely starved to death.
Had the allies invaded phenomonal numbers of troops would have died in the process.

Dropping the bomb while opening a can of worms long term was the right thing to do at the time and strangely doing it probably saved more Japanese lives than they took.
August 3rd, 2005  
LIPS
 
 
At that time a decision had to be made without the benefit of hindsight and I belive the right decision was made under very trying times.
August 3rd, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
Craftsman.....Just how many POW do you think would have been left alive if your advice had been followed. My the poor Japanese how they suffered in your eyes, and it was not their fault either, just blame it all on America.
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August 3rd, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Craftsman
I have to disagree, Japan was on the defensive. It's ports were mined and it's ofensive abilities shattered, sure an invasion would have caused alot of allied casualties so why not just sit back and do nothing. It isn't like the allies were short on time.
Actually the US was short on time. Per the Yalta agreement, Russia had come into the war against Japan. As I stated above the bomb was dropped as much to keep the Russians out of Japan as anything else. I'm sure you'll agree that Japan was much better off with a US occupation that left relatively soon vs. a Russian occupation that wouldn't have ended until the 1990's and the fall of the Soviet Union.
August 3rd, 2005  
ilmsoyid
 
I think the bomb was not only the correct decision at the time, but it also ensured our defense capabilities to other countries. The fact that we had it and did use it showed the world that we are willing to back ourselves up. Unfortunately people had to die, but the massacre at Pearl Harbor was tragic in itself.
August 3rd, 2005  
MichiganMarineInfantry
 
 
Let's discuss the fact that they brought the decision, partly, on themsleves. The way they treated American, British and Australian POW's is unforgivable. If they would have won the war, how would they have treated civilians? Ponder that for awhile, and I belive they got was coming to them, it's unforunate, but nobody made them abuse POW's.
August 3rd, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
Nothing is as terrible as the awareness that dropping those two bombs was necessary while also avoiding a ground invasion of the 4 main islands and made it possible that the US gained a strategic preminence vis--vis the USSR.
I didn't use a French word, did I?
August 3rd, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
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Originally Posted by MichiganMarineInfantry
Let's discuss the fact that they brought the decision, partly, on themsleves. The way they treated American, British and Australian POW's is unforgivable. If they would have won the war, how would they have treated civilians? Ponder that for awhile, and I belive they got was coming to them, it's unforunate, but nobody made them abuse POW's.

and the many asian countries the conquered too...those people we gloss over way too much
August 4th, 2005  
MightyMacbeth
 
 
well...its not good killing innocent people really...
August 4th, 2005  
Strongbow
 
 
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
Pearl Harbor was surely a factor in dropping the bomb, but I believe the projected 1 million US casualties and up to 30 million Japanese casualties if we had invaded Japan had much more to do with it. That and sending a message to the Russians. Dropping the bomb saved a vast amount of American and Japanese lives and prevented Japan from seeing the division that Germany and Korea did.
I agree with Charge but I don't think Japanese casualties was really a consideration by the US.

Racial hatred of the Japanese during the war was immense (more than towards the Germans). Read a book called "Hell in the Pacific".

POW's were very glad that the bombs were dropped.