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Cold_feelings

Cold_feelings

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OK like I said I am only here for simple a very simple question so bare with me please


OK I have no idea if this topic has been brought up so far but I'm bringing it up here due to the fact I may or may not get a straight answer, but with so many branches here someone may tell me something about.

I really want to the straight forward people to answer (which will be most of you)

OK to the point

I'm not the smartest person on earth (no one is) but I got the balls to ask this here and if I could I would ask it face 2 face


F.E.M.A, NWO, United States dictatorship, Martial Law.

All of these things are now all the buzz, and for someone like me there irritating as hell. ( I hope that is OK to use) Look I need to know if any of these conspiracies are true, have any truth to them, or are the Christians making a ever daring move to take rule in the state's.


I have study a lot of things so far, from elf tower's promoting mk ultra to various user's, to concentration camp's in our own back yard's. Wtf is going on here in America has greed really taking hold of every power crazy person that the logical person doesen't have a chance?

Has stupidity really taken us this far? I mean their was a limit at first that I could tolerate but damn are the marines that on point (this was from a site I read so I have no idea if it holds any value) American's are stupid?


The masses follow of the four branches of the government with no fault's to give and never once took the second to stop and listen.These stories are to much to look away from to the point I can crap my pant's from reading cause its damning.

Martial Law in America from America troops and foreign troops to the average this is up surd to even swallow and believe so they turn away, but for someone like me who has been harassed by Police states and so on, I can't turn away and since I been awaken to this I have been asking more questions (that has nothing to do with this kind of topic but a bit more advance).


I deserve to know wtf is my country is doing and if they are going to cause us (the people and fighters of the people) a problem and hell and death, what side should I be on and what should I do and first step.


And please don't throw me away for opening this topic I asked




Mind-set 1: I will remain loyal to my sworn pledge to uphold the U.S. Constitution, no matter what. If I consider a civilian or military order or operation to be contradictory to the Constitution, I will not follow the order and will do whatever is in my power to stop the unconstitutional operation.



Mind-set 2: I will do whatever my civilian and military commanders tell me to do, without reflection on whether or not what they are ordering is permitted by the Constitution (since I want to get ahead in the military).







And does ^^^^that even still apply here anymore^^^^




Tell me something please
 
I think this question is more directed towards the American members so I will happily sit it out, but oddly enough it is an interesting set of questions for those prepared to read it all the way through.
 
ObjSRgtLw said:
Erm, maybe i'm the only one who doesn't have a clue what you are talking about- but maybe you could explain it briefly or be more specific...
thnx
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Links:

These links really mean nothing cause its most of them are a link to fear, you just have to catch the gist of this


Link 1 wikapeida overview basically

Link 2 Martial Law break down with F.E.M.A over view when needed

Link 3 Concentration Camps



Blah if this is enough let me know I'll send more even the youtube links
 
Thanks for now, I'll try to understand all of this- but as Monty pointed out it seems that it's more of interest to the us-citizens, i don't want to get in the way of sth here either :)
 
Cold_feelings said:
Links:

These links really mean nothing cause its most of them are a link to fear, you just have to catch the gist of this


Link 1 wikapeida overview basically

Link 2 Martial Law break down with F.E.M.A over view when needed

Link 3 Concentration Camps



Blah if this is enough let me know I'll send more even the youtube links
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Not that I really needed them to make my mind up but I will go with the "you have nothing to worry about" approach, without a huge event (and I am talking something like a nuclear attack on the USA) there is next to no chance of a police state or military take over because you do have effective checks and balances in place and a population with an expectation of democracy (which is the most important bit).

The thing with conspiracies is that they make perfect sense if you are prepared to over look the obvious, take the moon landing conspiracy it looks perfectly believable if you are prepared to believe that the government can keep a secret that involves thousands of people for 40 years when they cant even keep their plans secret for a week on any other topic.
 
Hope this helps .............

Cold_feelings said:
F.E.M.A, NWO, United States dictatorship, Martial Law.

Plus .. Concentration Camps.
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ObjSRgtLw said:
Erm, maybe i'm the only one who doesn't have a clue what you are talking about- but maybe you could explain it briefly or be more specific...
thnx
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I don't want to answer for someone else ... but ... these "buzzwords" have become a part of the lexicon of GW Bush politics over the last eight years ... and ... they worry many Americans who are concerned over what they view as excesses on GW's usage of Presidential powers.

As viewed by many Americans {my take}:
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  • F.E.M.A ...Federal Emergency Management Agency {which answers to the US Department of Homeland Security} ... a situation that didn't exist prior to 9/11 - it lead to the fiasco in New Orleans during/after Hurricane Katrina. New Orleans still hasn't received all of the federal aid that was promised through F.E.M.A. and many American question the inclusion of F.E.M.A. under Homeland Security.
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  • NWO ...New World Order {a World Government} - explains itself ... and is something that all freedom loving Americans are against.
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  • United States dictatorship ...GW Bush (President of the United States) thinking he can do whatever he wants through Executive Privilege. Many Americans wonder why he hasn't already been impeached.
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  • Martial Law ...Allowed under the Patriot Act for certain 'civilian' 'terrorist/terrorism' reasons, not recognized prior to 9/11. Many American's think this is an attack on the US Constitution and the rights that are granted to all American citizens.
  • *
  • Concentration Camps ... {Guantanamo Bay - Cuba} ... Something that GW Bush believes is legal since those prisoners (according to GW), are not subject to the Geneva Convention ... an opinion NOT shared by all Americans.
The above issues that I addressed, don't really require a conspiracy to be of concern. Many Americans have these views based upon events over the last eight years (GW Bush's Presidency). I tried to keep my own personal political beliefs out of my answers as best I could ... and ... just made 'general' remarks about how many Americans view these issues.

I hope this helps you .....
 
Chief Bones said:
I don't want to answer for someone else ... but ... these "buzzwords" have become a part of the lexicon of GW Bush politics over the last eight years ... and ... they worry many Americans who are concerned over what they view as excesses on GW's usage of Presidential powers.

As viewed by many Americans {my take}:
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  • F.E.M.A ...Federal Emergency Management Agency {which answers to the US Department of Homeland Security} ... a situation that didn't exist prior to 9/11 - it lead to the fiasco in New Orleans during/after Hurricane Katrina. New Orleans still hasn't received all of the federal aid that was promised through F.E.M.A. and many American question the inclusion of F.E.M.A. under Homeland Security.
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  • NWO ...New World Order {a World Government} - explains itself ... and is something that all freedom loving Americans are against.
  • *
  • United States dictatorship ...GW Bush (President of the United States) thinking he can do whatever he wants through Executive Privilege. Many Americans wonder why he hasn't already been impeached.
  • *
  • Martial Law ...Allowed under the Patriot Act for certain 'civilian' 'terrorist/terrorism' reasons, not recognized prior to 9/11. Many American's think this is an attack on the US Constitution and the rights that are granted to all American citizens.
  • *
  • Concentration Camps ... {Guantanamo Bay - Cuba} ... Something that GW Bush believes is legal since those prisoners (according to GW), are not subject to the Geneva Convention ... an opinion NOT shared by all Americans.
The above issues that I addressed, don't really require a conspiracy to be of concern. Many Americans have these views based upon events over the last eight years (GW Bush's Presidency). I tried to keep my own personal political beliefs out of my answers as best I could ... and ... just made 'general' remarks about how many Americans view these issues.

I hope this helps you .....
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Although that is so true, I ask not for simple reference I am aware where this has started but its not as simple as that, for if this was the case I would have never went through the jumps I did to post and find the nearest Military Forums and posted this kinda of propaganda in the first place.

From what I can tell most of these claims have fell into place and all I see are the military and the U.S. Civilians in the cross fire, I don't believe Bush is the ring leader (his speaking said enough) maybe his father ok but I know this all treads back into something long forgotten or over looked.



I'm looking for a very simple answer and the more people post the more I know I'll find what I'm looking for.



Also I am fully aware how that last part sounded but believe me nothing evil is behind this

Also no the concentration camps I'm speaking of is right here in the states and some active apparently. Not any in Cuba although I don't doubt any of our own people are there, who take the actions I took today so blah.
 
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Them's fightin words pardner ...........

Cold_feelings said:
Also no the concentration camps I'm speaking of is right here in the states and some active apparently. Not any in Cuba although I don't doubt any of our own people are there, who take the actions I took today so blah.
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If that is what you were really addressing ... then I have no darned idea what you are talking about. It is ABSOLUTELY illegal to have concentration camps inside the Continental United Stares or in any US Territories (even under the Patriot Act). The ONLY time that the US had any kind of camps, was during WWII when 100's of thousands of Japanese-Americans were placed in internment camps for the duration of the war and a few German soldiers were placed behind barbed wire fences (they were released after the war was over and none of them were killed for no other reason other than their ethnicity). The only other camps that I am aware of, are where some of the suspected 'undesirable' Cuban prisoners from the Mariel Boat Lift days were housed until their cases could be reviewed (Camp Chaffee in Arkansas was temporarily used for temporary prisoner housing and containment). They were NOT "Concentration Camps" ... that distinction belongs to Nazi Germany where the Germans imprisoned and killed millions of Jews in the gas chambers for no other reason than some insane "race purity" ideal. Some of those same prisoners still show the maltreatment they received at the hands of a bunch of psycho guards.

As far as your "YouTube" reference, anybody can post anything they want on that site and I believe almost nothing that I see there ... for sure I take anything on there with a very large dose of salt.

While the Patriot Act authorizes 'temporary holding' areas under very specific circumstances, these areas are in no way "Concentration Camps". Any area that is being looked at as a possible internment or temporary holding area, DOES NOT PRESENTLY HOLD ONE SINGLE PRISONER.

Also, if you are equating Americans with those Nazi animals of WWII, then you darned well better provide some real references or reason for any accusation that you make against the United States ... cause you sure got the hackles on the back of my neck standing straight up. That happens when someone makes me angry ... and ... your accusations are fightin words in my neighborhood pardner.
 
Chief Bones said:
If that is what you were really addressing ... then I have no darned idea what you are talking about. It is ABSOLUTELY illegal to have concentration camps inside the Continental United Stares or in any US Territories (even under the Patriot Act). The ONLY time that the US had any kind of camps, was during WWII when 100's of thousands of Japanese-Americans were placed in internment camps for the duration of the war and a few German soldiers were placed behind barbed wire fences (they were released after the war was over and none of them were killed for no other reason other than their ethnicity). The only other camps that I am aware of, are where some of the suspected 'undesirable' Cuban prisoners from the Mariel Boat Lift days were housed until their cases could be reviewed (Camp Chaffee in Arkansas was temporarily used for temporary prisoner housing and containment). They were NOT "Concentration Camps" ... that distinction belongs to Nazi Germany where the Germans imprisoned and killed millions of Jews in the gas chambers for no other reason than some insane "race purity" ideal. Some of those same prisoners still show the maltreatment they received at the hands of a bunch of psycho guards.

As far as your "YouTube" reference, anybody can post anything they want on that site and I believe almost nothing that I see there ... for sure I take anything on there with a very large dose of salt.

While the Patriot Act authorizes 'temporary holding' areas under very specific circumstances, these areas are in no way "Concentration Camps". Any area that is being looked at as a possible internment or temporary holding area, DOES NOT PRESENTLY HOLD ONE SINGLE PRISONER.

Also, if you are equating Americans with those Nazi animals of WWII, then you darned well better provide some real references or reason for any accusation that you make against the United States ... cause you sure got the hackles on the back of my neck standing straight up. That happens when someone makes me angry ... and ... your accusations are fightin words in my neighborhood pardner.
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How do you think I feel if this isn't true then don't you think I want blood as well for cause mayhem in the country and casing public out cries for nothing
 
Well I'd say you need a new tin foil hat and if you don't go outside then you won't have to worry about the Black Helicopters seeing you during the day at least. At night with FLIR it might be a problem.

Or you could could stay off the Conspiracy Theory sites.


Crap okay I'll tell you.

The camps and FEMA and all the rest were voted for and funded in congress by Liberal Democrats who are members of the Illuminati, and high ranking free masons.

When Ombama is sworn in then martial law will be declared and all conservatives and gun owners, right to lifers, and Christian Conservatives will be rounded up and placed in camps for "reeducation". During this time the Liberals will create a Islamic-Socialist Peoples republic.

There now ya know the whole story. Or just pick which Theory ya like best.
 
I'll answer your final question only, I don't feel like getting into the conspiracy stuff...

When it comes between the Constitution and the "commanders appointed above me", as in the oath of enlistment, I really don't have that option - the oath I took at appointment and will take at commissioning is the Oath of Office. I think the intent is for officers to decide whether orders are constitutional or not, and pass them down along the chain only if they are. It's our responsibility, with the current different wording of the oaths.
 
03USMC said:
When Ombama is sworn in then martial law will be declared and all conservatives and gun owners, right to lifers, and Christian Conservatives will be rounded up and placed in camps for "reeducation". During this time the Liberals will create a Islamic-Socialist Peoples republic.

There now ya know the whole story. Or just pick which Theory ya like best.
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You know you are just scaring 5.56 now don't ya.

It will be hard for him to post the weekly NRA newsletter to the forums while he is hiding under the bed cradling his guns.
 
03USMC said:
Well I'd say you need a new tin foil hat and if you don't go outside then you won't have to worry about the Black Helicopters seeing you during the day at least. At night with FLIR it might be a problem.

Or you could could stay off the Conspiracy Theory sites.


Crap okay I'll tell you.

The camps and FEMA and all the rest were voted for and funded in congress by Liberal Democrats who are members of the Illuminati, and high ranking free masons.

When Ombama is sworn in then martial law will be declared and all conservatives and gun owners, right to lifers, and Christian Conservatives will be rounded up and placed in camps for "reeducation". During this time the Liberals will create a Islamic-Socialist Peoples republic.

There now ya know the whole story. Or just pick which Theory ya like best.
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I like this one also I would like it if people would stop calling Obama the first black pres, jeez its bad enough leaving amongst stupidity but lmao its like watching a circus everyday over this non-sense but that's another story for another time




As for this Look I know that this whole thing may offend some of you and may interest some of you, honestly I respect your feelings but I could really careless I came here asking a question and I did. My Answer wasn't really given and did it need to be, no not really.

This behavior of all parties show me a few things


A) Either this is one hell of a psi-op job

B) MK ultra isn't anything at all

C) Americans are lost in their ways and its to late to save them



Also to the comment I heard about it being illegal to have a concentration camp in America, you tell me a day Bush are any other Pres, Business, dealer and so on make a move that was illegal but people look the other way



The bill was lifted that restricted American troops to police the streets (as in the movie the siege but hasn't happen) so you mind telling me about that

it would seem that you may not know anything about this or you do either way its like this in a nut shell.........


I'm hearing a story about Power Hungry people who does have a will to care for the people but will kill them in a heart beat for the sake of the planet. Then they went ahead and choose the marines to do the dirty work of the extraction of the "people from homes" like in Kulsovo (don't know how to spell it) and send them to die (once the act of a WW3 or drastic event takes place) in a concentration camp.


Once here and so on the Life or Death will take place with "are you going to follow or not".


Oct 1, Martial law was declared (in Texas I heard only) at the same time the day's before their was a list that went out,



Red
Blue
Yellow
last one doesn't matter


if you where on that red list or Blue you where sent to die in silence from black op's (which is neither here nor there) at these camps, so you could not train rebellions of the NWO.


Yellow and below don't matter

either you convert or die

Bush had put things in place where most of this could have been true and done.


now I don't know much about this but that kinda of story is damning.I been born in this country for some reason, talking big isn't my kinda thing I like silence and the unexpected so if you get what I mean this kinda story is really urking me and I don't need anyone


Psi-oping how offended they got as if I'm not going to ride out for my country comes time for me to die, I'm USA bound and raised, I hate everyone and kill for the sake of killing when need be don' test my character I'm asking has our country became such idiots that this kinda of rumor could surface and become a real life problem




Also you can look up stories on the Omega Agency as well




This is the kind of B-S I woke up to one day and I haven't looked back, rather its right or wrong its the right path to the truth about thishell hold called life

Also you can see this instead I have no idea but if you are as detailed as I am I look at it all and then make a judgment and so far if MTV said something about it then I'm going with it





Also you can have a read

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Chief Bones said:
Concentration Camps ... {Guantanamo Bay - Cuba} ... Something that GW Bush believes is legal since those prisoners (according to GW), are not subject to the Geneva Convention ... an opinion N shared by all Americans.
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I welcome you to read the Geneva convention. Anyone who is NOT in a uniform and engages in combat has no rights as well as anyone who does not fight for a government.

Under those conditions set forth by the Geneva Convention, most in Gitmo do not have rights.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/milinfo/genevacon/blart-4.htm

since this is a bit off topic, post debates on the Geneva Convention on the corresponding thread http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/79786-post.html
I was correcting the apparent error.
 
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Chief Bones said:
  • Concentration Camps ... {Guantanamo Bay - Cuba} ... Something that GW Bush believes is legal since those prisoners (according to GW), are not subject to the Geneva Convention ... an opinion NOT shared by all Americans.
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I think the line of reasoning here is something along the following lines:
1. Enemy combatants captured on the battlefield are required to have a military tribunal to determine their status (if their status is in doubt).
2. The Law of Land Warfare and the Geneva/Hauge conventions do not specifically specify a time to have this completed. Only that a tribunal is necessary and should be accomplished in a timely manner.
3. These enemy combatants are being held OCONUS (Outside CONtinental US), so that they cannot claim rights and protections guaranteed by the constitution to US cotizens.
4. Complicating this fact is that a lot of the home countries don't want the folks that have had their status determined and are eligible for release. THe question then becomes... Where do we send them when their home country doesn't want them?
 
The failure on our part was not getting the fact that the public wouldn't see it the way most of us do.
Remember, even the worst criminals behind bars earn the sympathy of the public because for the time being they are helpless. It's just like that. Either you try them the normal way or if that's obviously not possible kill them where you find them. It doesn't matter what the Geneva convention says. It's not the point. The point is, no matter how guilty or whatever they were, they are now being held without trial and look helpless and quite pathetic and that's why the public feels sorry for them.
Solution is simple: next time just shoot them.
 
I agree. Then you would have the politicans up in arms about alleged cruelty. This is and will always be a no win situation.
 
Although this completely off topic I will say this to it


Tis the world we live in .....for now meh who knows maybe Zeitgeist is right and we will all for the new age that is upon us.
:firedevi: but until further notice this is the hell we know as earth :firedevi:


But keep this is mind as it goes just to add for the sake of argument what would happen if an American citizen wind up in Guntamo Bay suddenly with no charges, now hat would you think abou that.


I love cover ups.Until they walk up on me:eek:fftopic: by the OP
 
Cold_feelings said:
Although this completely off topic I will say this to it


Tis the world we live in .....for now meh who knows maybe Zeitgeist is right and we will all for the new age that is upon us.
:firedevi: but until further notice this is the hell we know as earth :firedevi:


But keep this is mind as it goes just to add for the sake of argument what would happen if an American citizen wind up in Guntamo Bay suddenly with no charges, now hat would you think abou that.


I love cover ups.Until they walk up on me:eek:fftopic: by the OP
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Given our current Constitution and the fact that we have not had a domestic or foreign terrorist attack in the US since 9/11 I think that the likelyhood of that happeining is pretty remote.

Either way. The folks in the US who complain about this usually do so because they have either:
1. Too much time on their hands. Idle rich with nothing better to do.
2. A deep rooted guilt and feel that they must right some wrong they did earlier in their lives.
3. An axe to grind with the government.

Most Americans are too busy working hard to take care of their families and try to make their lives better.
 
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