Heavy infantry APCs Vs. Light APCs and humvees.




 
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January 12th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: Heavy infantry APCs Vs. Light APCs and humvees.


It seemed to me that this new idea of "Light" infantry transport is very dangerous....look at all those Humvees getting nailed in Iraq....Shouldent the USA get some heavier troop transports? like these?

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo.../Achzarit.html

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...puma/Puma.html

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...NagmaShot.html

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo...Nagmachon.html

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo.../Nakpadon.html
January 12th, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
You guys have some mean military hardware!!

I've seen several of these when I was in Lebanon, and I'm really impressed by their size and armor.

But mobility vs. armor is a difficult subject..
Most of your vehicles would be too heavy for Norwegian terrain (and several other countries terrain too), but they are perfect for the tasks you are using them for.
From what I have experienced you don't need to go much in the terrain, and if you do the terrain down there can support that kind of weight..(correct me if I'm wrong...)

One vehicle I was very impressed by was a heavily armored buldozer, that kept on making a road, even if it was under attack by an 81mm mortar...
January 12th, 2004  
diplomatic_means
 
Troop transport is just about the only thing I would want the Stryker to be used for.
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January 13th, 2004  
Pogue
 
It all depends on the scenario. Heavy Armor and Light Armor both have their place in an army's armament.
January 13th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
All APCs suck in a urban environment, lets at least get that strieght. That being said the one that sucks the least is the Stryker.
January 13th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: Heavy...


I dont know... those Achzarit are not really an APC...they weigh in at 40 tonnes....Basically T54/55/62 w/out turret.....They are said to have the same protective level as a Merkava MBT...These are no M113.....
The Pumas are like Centurions....Very good for urban warfare because no RPG can take them...Maybe a AT missile, but not nessasirly...A new AT maybe, but a Sager wont...


REDLEG-The terrain is usually good for tanks....Plus right now there is alot of city fighting.....so there are paved roads....
April 11th, 2004  
gjc
 
Personally I would rather I was either in a warrior IFV (rough equivalent to a Bradley) or a soft skinned Landrover. That way commanders would not be under any illusion as to the amount of protection afforded to the troops by their vehicles. I feel for the US soldiers I see in Humvees getting shot up in a place that they should have never been in in Humvees in the first place.
April 11th, 2004  
AlexKall
 
We use these:

Unsed in kosovo and bosnia by KFOR and SFOR
http://www.wendel.se/rswa/302new.htm

Finnish APC used by the Swedish Military in kosovo and bosnia by KFOR and SFOR
http://www.wendel.se/rswa/sisu.htm

Can be used to transport troops.
http://www.wendel.se/rswa/strf90.htm

And some old russian and east german stuff
April 11th, 2004  
SHERMAN
 
 

Topic: yes


liked that last one...looks like a bradly equivilant.should put some ATGMs on that thing.....
April 12th, 2004  
Redleg
 
 
We do also use the CV90, but with a 30mm gun, great vehicle!
http://www.haaland.info/norway/storm/index.html