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Have the police overused deadly force?
 
March 13th, 2006  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Have the police overused deadly force?
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DO YOU THINK CRIME WOULD DROP IF WE HAD AN ARMED AMERICA ? (shades of the old west)
Yup, crime would sure lower in a heart beat. I think everyone should carry. Criminal will sure as hell be scared of robbing someone.

Criminals are cowards and scumbags. The only thing their kind understands is force. And guess what folks. A firearm is nopthing but a tool. It can used for good or for bad. And I know that a hell of alot of people will carry for good than for evil. Look at the number of folks that have CCWs and how many of them get into trouble with the law. (I'm talking about serious problems with the law. Not a broken tail light on their car.)
March 14th, 2006  
tomtom22
 
 
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Originally Posted by Chief Bones
This year approximately 15,000,000 arrests will be carried out by police organizations throughout America. Of the 15 million arrests, approximately 2-3 percent will involve the use of deadly force. That means that 300,000 - 450, 000 times this year a policeman (or) policewoman will have to draw their sidearm or use a shotgun or rifle to effect an arrest.
It would be interesting if you had some figures on how many of this number are considered "suicide by police". In other words people who deliberately get the police to respond to a situation that they themselves have concocted solely to get the police to end their lives.
March 14th, 2006  
Rabs
 
 
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Yeah, have the court systems and correctional system truly setence ccriminals to their prison terms and enforce it. None of this get out of eraly jail free crap and a cable tv in every prison cell. Make these bastards work in the sun. Bring back prison labor and chain gangs. Prison is about serving time for a crime. Not getting a paid vaction from working.
There is a prison in Arizona thats doing just that. I compltely agree prisons need to become not so nice places again.
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Have the police overused deadly force?
March 14th, 2006  
Chief Bones
 
 

Topic: DBC - Death by Cop.....


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Originally Posted by tomtom22
It would be interesting if you had some figures on how many of this number are considered "suicide by police". In other words people who deliberately get the police to respond to a situation that they themselves have concocted solely to get the police to end their lives.
The program that I watched touched on this very topic ... but ... I don't remember the exact number ... all I remember was that the number was quite low. Although, they did say the number has started to slowly rise.
March 14th, 2006  
Ted
 
 
Isn't prison supposed to be a correctional facility? Sure you can put a guy away for 15 years and treat him like a sub-human. What do you reckon he does when he gets out? Since he has been a sub-human for 15 years the outside world don't like ex-cons. He is out of a job, out of everything mostly and what will he do? Yep..... commit a crime again.

Now you can say that it is his own fault, which imo would be a very simplistic view. Society has changed and so did the punishmets (at least I hope so) Chain gangs and other sentences from the days of way back won't help you one bit if you want to prevent crime. You'll succeed at punishing crime but not at preventing it. And what do you prefer?
March 14th, 2006  
Marinerhodes
 
 
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Originally Posted by Ted
Isn't prison supposed to be a correctional facility? Sure you can put a guy away for 15 years and treat him like a sub-human. What do you reckon he does when he gets out? Since he has been a sub-human for 15 years the outside world don't like ex-cons. He is out of a job, out of everything mostly and what will he do? Yep..... commit a crime again.

Now you can say that it is his own fault, which imo would be a very simplistic view. Society has changed and so did the punishmets (at least I hope so) Chain gangs and other sentences from the days of way back won't help you one bit if you want to prevent crime. You'll succeed at punishing crime but not at preventing it. And what do you prefer?
Prison, Penetentiary, etc. I think they only came to be called correctional facilities for political correctness. It is a punishment. They made a mistake, however severe, and they need to suffer the consequences. I personally don't feel it is right for them to enjoy the same niceties of life as someone who has not commited a crime. i.e. education at the expense of the taxpayers, cable TV, any number of things you can think of that I can not. The average citizen has to pay their own way for college and higher education, and life's little pleasures. Why shouldn't the convicted criminals? Give them a job doing something for the state, clearing rodaside ditches, land etc. Pay them a small wage (the monies given out free for TV and education and other amenities they should not have in my opinion). It doesn't have to be a "chain gang" mentality. They can then put those monies towards an education or towards savings etc. This way they have a sense of pride and accomplishment in earning something rather than having it given to them gratis.

As for preventing a crime? When was the last time you stopped someone from doing something they were determined to do? That is like expecting me as a Marine NCO to stop my Marine from driving his vehicle when his license has been suspended and he has been ordered not to do it. The law prevents me from confiscating his keys and forcibly restraining him. I can not require him to be in my presence 24/7 nor can I be in his presence 24/7. So if he decides to go for a ride and I am not around to stop him how can I prevent him from commiting this crime? Get the picture?

Making the penalty for a crime so horrendous as to discourage someone from even thinking about it is the only way to help cut down on the crime rate. Not that it will prevent crime but it may act as a deterrent to those contemplating commiting a crime.
March 14th, 2006  
major liability
 
 
Make prisons like that and you'll have a lot more folks shooting back at the cops rather than surrendering like little bitches.
March 14th, 2006  
Chief Bones
 
 

Topic: Another one shot out of the saddle...


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Originally Posted by major liability
Make prisons like that and you'll have a lot more folks shooting back at the cops rather than surrendering like little bitches.
There is a certain Sheriff who would argue with you ... he makes his prisoners live in the middle of the desert, wear 'pink' prison clothes, work on chain gangs, doesn't allow air conditioning . tv . books . magazines . weight rooms . (or) any entertainment of any kind. The recidivism rate for his 'jail/prison' is the lowest in the nation. Prisoners (it includes women as well as men) ABSOLUTELY DO NOT want a return visit to this 'no-frill hotel' on the desert, and more ex-prisoners have gone straight after a stint in the desert jail than with the old 'treat them humane' policies that were the vogue when he assumed the office of Sheriff.

So much for your thesis that 'real' punishment doesn't work.
March 14th, 2006  
PJ24
 
 
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DO YOU THINK CRIME WOULD DROP IF WE HAD AN ARMED AMERICA ? (shades of the old west)


Remember, the old west wasn't the safest era in US history. The last thing I would want would be vigilantes divvying out the law based on their on interpretation of it.


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Originally Posted by major liability
Make prisons like that and you'll have a lot more folks shooting back at the cops rather than surrendering like little bitches.
Surrendering doesn't make them "little bitches" it makes them smarter than they were 10 mins ago.

And what's shooting back at the police going to do? Get you more prison time or get you dead.

You don't reward bad behavior.

Bones is right in his post above. If I remember correctly, this prison also has programs for the inmates, when they aren't working and sweating in the tents, they have the option to attend workforce development classes, get their GEDs, psychological counseling, anger management, etc


March 15th, 2006  
Chief Bones
 
 

Topic: By 'James' you're right .....


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Originally Posted by PJ24
Remember, the old west wasn't the safest era in US history.
You don't reward bad behavior.

Bones is right in his post above. If I remember correctly, this prison also has programs for the inmates, when they aren't working and sweating in the tents, they have the option to attend workforce development classes, get their GEDs, psychological counseling, anger management, etc
You're right about the Old West NOT being the safest era to live in ... but ... you didn't have teenage gangs roving the streets with Uzis and firing hundreds of rounds over a 'turf' battle ... nor ... did you have all of the drug problems facing us today. What you DID have though ... was a community that shot the shit out of a gang that rode into a town with idea of robbing the bank and generally terrorizing the town (It was at Northfield, Minnesota in 1876 that a robbery at the First National Bank went sour with three of the James Gang dying in an onslaught of gun fire. The bullets came from all sides with every James Gang member being wounded).

As far as the programs and so forth ... I had forgotten that. Because of the austerity that was carried out at the Sheriff's direction, inmates couldn't wait to get into these programs and there were plenty of them because of the money saved by not creating a jail with a 'Club Med' atmosphere ... it was the single highpoint of an otherwise tedious servitude while carrying out the court's sentences and opened up many inmates to a life other than crime.