Ted said:
Hold on Gladius... who's the one spreading "democracy" in that region by force? What if your democracy experiment gives rise to something like that too? Will you blaim Europe again?
Or is that your definition of democracy that if you don't like what you see, you send in the military?
I'm not blaming the democratic process, I'm all for that.
What I am blaming Europe for is being totaly anti-Israel and grossly pro-palestinian.
Their massive funding and favor for the Palestinians is what fuelled these organizations to go on and thrive in Palestine.
Had the Europeans have not done that, most of the Palestinians would have been disillutioned with thier own system which could provide them with he basic needs of government and would have been more willing to seek a peaceful solution with Israel in order to improve their lives. Instead their lives were kept up by an outside source (Europe) which went along with their current lifestyle which is to fight Israel.
I'm not against Europe supporting democracy. But regarding the kind of thinking that left-wing Europe engages, the people they should be supporting they rail against, and the ones they should watch out for they support. And now look what you get!
Why would European public oppinion be so strongly against the only true democracy in that region, and support people with shady agendas who have whose only tract record is terrorism. Its probably alot to do with left-wing idealism which Europe has emersed itself in which is proving time and time again to have no sound basis in reality. Its really stupid if you look at it, no wonder they are sealing their own doom.
MontyB said:
Care to explain how Europe is responsible for palestinians voting in Hamas in what has so far been a legitamite election or is "European" now the "opps they didnt do what we wanted" word for the month in the right wing part of America?
You keep bad mouthing America, when the US tries to do the right thing from the begining, if it doesn't work out, then it doesn't. But this left-wing European thinking does the wrong thing from the begining, then all of a sudden they are shocked by the terrible results, ...what a surprise, no not really. Stuff like this should tell them maybe there is a flaw in their thinking.
The EU is the biggest money donator to the palestinians.
...here Bory said it best
Bory said:
Actully one of the reasons Hamas was elected was because of the promises it made to help Palestine get back on its feet.
I was watching a thing on the newsa week ago, about this town in Palestine that had one of the First Hamas mayor. Within a a few months, unelepoyment was down to almost nil, the roads were being widened and paved, and construction had started on a new school and hospital had begun. Crime had gone down, due to a major crackdown on corruption, the mayor even cut power to his parents home becuase they were a day late in paying their bills. Nobody was exempt of the law.
With all these innovations, how could the people of Palestine not vote for Hamas.
However Hamas will be incharge of all officals matters in Palestine. It will be allowed to purchase weapons legally from other nations, it will be allowed to recruit anyone it pleases into the Army and the Militant wing of Hamas.
I see it as history repeating. I don't need to name the dictatorships that started out like this.
The money for those programs mentioned, it didn't pop out of thin air now did it? So there.
