To hamas from Israel :"Free soldier or PM dies."

To hamas from Israel :"Free soldier or PM dies."
July 1st, 2006  

Topic: To hamas from Israel :"Free soldier or PM dies."

To hamas from Israel :"Free soldier or PM dies."

Israel warns: free soldier or PM dies

Middle East correspondent Martin Chulov July 01, 2006

ISRAEL last night threatened to assassinate Palestinian Prime Minister Ismael Haniyeh if Hamas militants did not release a captured Israeli soldier unharmed.

The unprecedented warning was delivered to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in a letter as Israel debated a deal offered by Hamas to free Corporal Gilad Shalit.
It came as Israeli military officials readied a second invasion force for a huge offensive into Gaza.
Hamas's Gaza-based political leaders, including Mr Haniyeh, had already gone into hiding.
But last night's direct threat to kill Mr Haniyeh, a democratically elected head of state, sharply raised the stakes.
The bid to free Corporal Shalit was brokered by Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, who last night warned Hamas it faced severe consequences if it did not curb its "extreme stance" and described the growing conflict as a lightning rod for Palestinian vengeance.
Jerusalem has made no official comment, but Egyptian state media said Israel had found the offer unacceptable. Israel has not spelt out the terms demanded by Hamas, but earlier this week it refused to buy into talk of a prisoner swap.
Thousands of Hamas supporters protested in Gaza City late on Thursday over the arrest by Israeli forces of up to 32 Hamas MPs on the West Bank that day.
A Hamas spokesman said the group would never recognise Israel, in spite of a deal its leaders signed this week offering implicit recognition of the Jewish state in return for easing an economic blockade.
Israeli fighter jets bombed 20 targets in Gaza, including the Interior Ministry, which it said had been used by militants to stage meetings, while artillery hit the northern strip with 500 shells in the 24 hours until yesterday morning.
Jewish settler Eliyahu Asheri, who was murdered by militants this week, was buried on Thursday as leaders of the Popular Resistance Committees pledged to seize more hostages in the West Bank. No further word has emerged about another suspected Jewish hostage, Noach Moskowitz, who Israeli police said was found dead hours after Mr Asheri's remains were found.
Much of Gaza, including two main hospitals, was without power and running water as a UN aid chief warned that the 1.4 million residents of the strip were three days away from a humanitarian crisis.
"They are heading for the abyss unless they get electricity and fuel restored," said emergency relief co-ordinator Jan Egeland, who urged militants to free Corporal Shalit and stop firing rockets into Israel.
Residents complain that sonic booms caused by Israeli jets traumatise children and that shelling confines families to their homes.
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has vowed the military will do all it can to avoid civilian deaths if a full-scale assault is launched.
Mr Olmert said the decision to invade northern Gaza had already been delayed to allow Mr Mubarak's negotiations to continue.
The arrested Hamas legislators have been sent to security prisons and many will stand trial on terrorism offences. The detentions have hurt Hamas's already limited ability to govern and are likely to force a regime change.
Israel claims it has intelligence about the area where Corporal Shalit is held, but has been unable to pinpoint the exact location. Mr Olmert said the military would leave the strip if he was unconditionally and safely returned.
Egypt and the neighbouring Arab states of Jordan and Lebanon fear a war between Israel and the Palestinians could lead to uprisings within their own borders, which house many Palestinian refugees.
Looks to me like Israel is raising the steaks, opinions?
July 1st, 2006  
Good, I like the way Israelis deal with terrorism! HAMAS must learn that this is not a joke and they should grow up and stop blaming any one else for their problems.
July 1st, 2006  
I really dont get it. For the last week the news was all: Hamas has now agreed with Fatah for some kind of peace plan, Hamas will accept Israels right to exist, in exchange for a Palestinian state and so forth. And now they kidnap an Israeli and cause an Israeli invasion. How does that fit in with their plan? Is that supposed to make any sense? The way I see it, those guys are either totally nuts or terribly disorganized. In any case, if they get their own state, it will probably become the next Somalia.
To hamas from Israel :"Free soldier or PM dies."
July 1st, 2006  
Maybe hamas has difficulty contolling the gaza crowd since there's a lot of people there who are very angry and poor. That's always a recipe for irrational decision making. Hamas would probably feel humiliated for agreeing to israeli demands, but as i see it they have few choices left.

Will this generations old fighting ever end? Israel wants peace and recognition, palestiinians want independence and a better quality of life. If it weren't for all the little skirmishes inbetween the big agreements, stability would have been well on its way.
July 1st, 2006  
Jesus, the day there is peace in the Middle East...

And those Israelis mean business, I'm glad to see they are showing some teeth.

It's spelt stakes, by the way. You eat steak.
July 1st, 2006  
Ironic how winning the election stacks circumstances for Hamas. Because their now the ruling party in Parliment, there are lots and lots of memebers of their organization that can simply be taken by Israel when they pull this kidnapping crap.
July 2nd, 2006  
Originally Posted by phoenix80
Good, I like the way Israelis deal with terrorism! HAMAS must learn that this is not a joke and they should grow up and stop blaming any one else for their problems.
Terrorism? It's funny how it's only considered terrorism when you use a car bomb, a suicide bomber, or take "hostages" (which are really POW's at this point). The truth is both sides of this conflict are guilty of terrorism.

I wonder how you would feel if someone gave half of your land away to foreigners whos only claim to was that they had it 1000 years ago. But then again moving many jews back to the holy land seemed like a good idea at the time...

There are significant idealogical differences between the military wing and the political wing of Hamas. When the political wing tries to resolve things peacefully, the military wing tries to solve things militarily, and vice versa.
July 2nd, 2006  
^Wait...are you saying the Palestinians are decedents of Canaanites?

This conflict will never end. The Middle East will always be at war though there will be lulls here and there. Even if the Israelis weren't there, the differing religious sects would be slaughtering each other.

While I don't enjoy the idea of Israel slaughtering Palestinians, I don't think a message of peace or appeasement will do anything but invite more attacks.
July 2nd, 2006  
Chief Bones
Let's see ... according to Hamas when they use an IED or a suicide bomb it's because that's the ONLY way they can send a warning to the rest of the world that the world needs to take them seriously ... BUT ... when Israel or any other country takes out a group of Hamas terrorists with a rocket, bomb or a tank round, that's not a message. Alright ... I get it ... it's ONLY a message when they are the ones doing it....... The rest of the time it's an attack on civilians ...yeah right.
July 2nd, 2006  
There have been israeli killing of civilians lately, that's probably what caused the abduction of the soldier in the firstplace. Israel didn't intentionally kill the civilians, they just botched some assassination attempts and bystanders died instead. That and the mysterious shelling of that beach.

Who would of thought that we would still be hearing about this fighting that started 60 years ago, it's like an anacrhonism at this point. My suggestion, blame the british, they partitioned everything and then left the area alone, that's just negligent.

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