Greece Contemplates Upgrading Its Military

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Greece Contemplates Upgrading Its Military

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At the height of the Cold War, Greece was an important ally of the U.S. in helping to check the Soviet Union's potential to threaten the eastern Mediterranean. Since then, the nation has remained a vital player in the region's security.
Along the way, that evolution has done little to suppress Greece's appetite for modern weapon systems, and today its shopping list may be valued at up to $12 billion over the next 10 years. Less clear is the source of those new armaments and how Athens might go about procuring them.
The Greek government makes no excuses for maintaining relationships with all equipment sources, including Russia. What troubles some U.S. defense contractors is not that they have competition, but that the rules don't always seem fair and balanced for all players - a situation that has been exacerbated by a procurement process whose clarity, while improving, still leaves much to be desired, they claim.
Evangelos V. Vasilakos, who oversees the purchase of all military equipment, bristles at any suggestions that U.S. military contractors have failed to capture their fair share of Greece's defense business. All you have to do is look at the platforms Greece has bought in the last decade, especially aircraft, and see that most of them came from U.S. factories, he points out. Lockheed Martin historically has been the principal supplier of fighters to the Greek air force. Vasilakos acknowledges that some weapons were acquired in an "unorthodox manner," but he says Greece has done more than any other country within the European Union to increase the openness of its procurement process.
For example, in February, Greece adopted a legislative framework that previously did not exist for buying armaments, he points out. But Vasilakos also is quick to add that Greece will do whatever is in the country's best interests, including using government-to-government purchase agreements.
All the same, U.S. Army Col. Steve G. Boukedes acknowledges that Greece has been attempting to be more open in how it buys military equipment. He is chief of the Office of Defense Cooperation-Greece and is the principal interface between U.S. defense contractors and the Greek military. "There seems to be less wheeling and dealing," he asserts.
Greece's defense spending amounted to about 2.4% of the country's gross national product in 2006, the last year for which there are complete figures, according to the International Institute for Strategic Studies' "Military Balance" assessment. That figure compares with about 1.7% for all European countries that belong to NATO.
There are a variety of reasons why Greece wants to maintain a robust program of defense modernization. In the Balkans, Greece helps to stabilize a region that has a history of turmoil, notes F. Stephen Larrabee, a European security specialist at the Rand Corp. "You can't dismiss the potential for outside powers to use age-old minority issues as a pretext for territorial claims."
Greece also participates in the global war on terrorism, as well as peacekeeping operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Moreover, the country is the "framework" nation in the EU Battle Group Helbroc - which includes Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus - and that, too, requires Greece to maintain a modern military.

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There are a variety of reasons why Greece wants to maintain a robust program of defense modernization. In the Balkans, Greece helps to stabilize a region that has a history of turmoil, notes F. Stephen Larrabee, a European security specialist at the Rand Corp. "You can't dismiss the potential for outside powers to use age-old minority issues as a pretext for territorial claims."

Greece also participates in the global war on terrorism, as well as peacekeeping operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Moreover, the country is the "framework" nation in the EU Battle Group Helbroc - which includes Bulgaria, Romania and Cyprus - and that, too, requires Greece to maintain a modern military.
And the MOST IMPORTANT reason why Greece wants to maintain a robust program of defense modernization: Turkey. A historic rival 7 times the size of Greece, also a NATO member and EU applicant. The two have complex maritime/aerospace problems over the Aegean Sea and on the island of Cyprus.
 
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I didn't know Turkey's AF was so much larger then Greece's I saw those aircraft totals. I wonder what will Greece replace those F-4's & A-7's with? I see Turkey's going with the F-35 and buying into a 5th generation platform, Greece so far isn't going that route.

Do you know what's Greece's main exports are?

Can you tell me what Turkey's main exports are?

Are there any positive joint ventures between the two countries to which to build from?
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Hi Rock,

No I didn't mean TuAF was seven times larger, I meant the population and maybe the land forces. In the air and on the sea Greece and Turkey are pretty comparable, though Turkey does have a slight quantity edge in both. Greece hasn't decided what 5th gen (if any) to purchase, their last order was 30 new F-16s. They operate a combination of F-16s, Mirages, F-4s and A-7s. Lol, yes about 45 fat-belly A-7s! :smil:

They're not to be underestimated though. Considering the airspace Greece has to protect, that's an air force that means business. Greece also has a very good SAM umbrella, which mostly based on the Aegean islands and faces East toward Turkey.

Turkey on the other hand operates the largest F-16 fleet in the world after the US. Combination of Blk 30s, 40s and 50s. 218 to be exact! Plus they placed a new order for 30 new 50+s. Older versions are undergoing an extensive CCIP upgrade at TAI, so the entire fleet will feature the Blk 50 standard by 2012. Turkey also operates 195 F-4s and RF-4Es. Some of these were upgraded by IAI (Israel) with full digital cockpits and airframe renovations and reached the F-4-2020 Terminator standard and are now used for precision bombing of terrorist installations in Turkey's southeast & northern Iraq.

For more detailed info,
TuAF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Air_Force
HAF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellenic_Air_Force

It's hard to list their export commodities but I can tell you that Turkey is a more industrialized country (even though it comes from a heavily agricultural background) and compare their GDPs.

Turkey: $853.9 billion
Greece: $327.6 billion

CIA's World Fact Book 2007 data.
 
Are there any positive joint ventures between the two countries to which to build from?
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Missed that one. :smil: Yeah, I think tourism could be a good area to partner up. Both ocuntries get a chit load of tourists every year and I think they can dramatically increase their revenues by combining forces and offering joint tours, etc. Major sportive event hosting would be another, as both of them are pretty big on football (soccer) and have FIFA Worldcup aspirations.

I don't really see an intelligent reason for teh two to keep on fighting and making weapon manufacturers overseas richer. I mean, we've been neighbors for a long time and no one is going anywhere so why not get smart and stop all the bickering and actually work together. The cultures are indeed very similar.
 
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Getting along better would seem the route to go. Since both country's have well equipped navies why not have joint patrols on border area Islands. Started the patrols together less change of getting something wrong and you know where each other is at all times. After a while the two sides become more friendly and you patrol as a team over time. Have this carry over to air patrols in the areas that can be shared or along borders. Wherever there was a conflict in the air put both side there at once. Join up at a set position and this way both sides know where each other are, less chance for mistakes. In time down the road fighters could share tankers.
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I can assume the same fighter squadrons face off each other why not get to know each other better.

I can assume no other warships or fighters slip in between the Islands and joint airspace shared between the two country's right why not try and avoid the rough spots for both sides. Neither is going to carry out an all out attack against the other without a very good reason to I agree there doesn't seem to be an intelligence reason for building up each others military to the levels that they are.
 
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