~Greatest civilization ever~ - Page 5




 
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August 19th, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 

Topic: Re: i believe


Quote:
Originally Posted by specture(jrotc cadet)
THE GREATEST MILLITARY POWER IN HISTORY ...would be the united states air force....basically....united states is stronger than alot of countries....okay....a vast majority
This is a controversial issue. US military is most high-tech but not the best in human history and it is not capable of major conquests.

British managed to colonize 60% of world lands with its military power and the Mongols also did a huge conquest by defeating strong civilizations in its time.

Mongols had the best military might in human history in terms of victories and achievements.
August 20th, 2005  
MightyMacbeth
 
 
chaps...we are getting way into the futue. From what I know, The Indus valley had some good early civilization..
August 20th, 2005  
MightyMacbeth
 
 
what?
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August 21st, 2005  
MightyMacbeth
 
 
so ye all agree eh..
August 23rd, 2005  
FULLMETALJACKET
 
 
true. Rome though.Sparta though had a bad military in the Roman Days.
August 26th, 2005  
phoenix80
 
 
Did any one mention PERSIAN EMPIRE here?
August 26th, 2005  
Rich
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by phoenix_aim54
Did any one mention PERSIAN EMPIRE here?
Interesting choice...

The Persian Empire began around 700 BC and a lot of Iranians would claim that it has continued until modern times. (though is certainly hasn't been a continuous empire). The majority of Iranians are still ethnic "Persians" and speak the same language that has not changed greatly in 2500 years. (if you speak to Iranians in Western countries that fled when the Shah was overthrown in 1979, many of whom were Christian, they will often refer to themselves as Persian)

Here are a few facts and firsts:

The world's first "Charter of Human Rights" was setup by Cyrus the Great in 539 BC. (Predating Magna Carter and US Civil War)
Conquered peoples were given full citizenship rights and revolt was very rare.

The Persians developed an advanced postal service that was available to all of its citizens.

By Darius' time, their empire included the entire Middle East, Egypt and extended from Thrace in Europe through to the Indus Valley in Central Asia.

The Persians were the first to setup permanent road systems - as both trade routes and methods for moving armies quickly around the empire.

They made big strides in the development of engineering and building, medicine, art, philosophy and economics.

The problem with the Persian Empire:

There was no real continuity - Persia was ruled by Greeks, Parthians, Sassanians, Arabian, Mongols, Safavids, Russians and even the British. It wasn't one empire but a series of empires sometimes ruled by Persians and at other times by outsiders.

They were beaten up by just about every other empire and their military proved to be outdone by far lesser numbers time and again.

In effect, the first Persian empire only lasted 300 years (up until 330BC when Alexander conquered the entire empire)

As I said, interesting choice but I think the Romans fared better.
August 26th, 2005  
phoenix80
 
 
Quote:
There was no real continuity - Persia was ruled by Greeks, Parthians, Sassanians, Arabian, Mongols, Safavids, Russians and even the British. It wasn't one empire but a series of empires sometimes ruled by Persians and at other times by outsiders.

They were beaten up by just about every other empire and their military proved to be outdone by far lesser numbers time and again.

In effect, the first Persian empire only lasted 300 years (up until 330BC when Alexander conquered the entire empire)
Persia was ruled by some outsiders but those outsiders were defeated al the time or merged in our rich culture.

BTW, Parthians, Sasanids, Safavids were truly Iranian/Persian.

British and Russians never had a chance to rule us like a colony of their own. They were always rejected.

The only time a far lesser number could defeat the Persian armies was in Marathon but we shouldnt ignore the fact that Persians ruled the biggest empire of the history for at least 10 centuries. (Greeks were included)

And Alexandre burnt our nice cities while Persian kings used to help foreigners build their cities and avoid bloodshed.
August 27th, 2005  
MightyMacbeth
 
 
how about the Macedons...you know Alexander was a Macedonian.
August 27th, 2005  
phoenix80
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MightyMacbeth
how about the Macedons...you know Alexander was a Macedonian.
They can hardly be named as a civilization as they were part of Greek and later Romans.