Government porn filter to slow down the internet

5.56X45mm said:
I like my porn and I will fight to keep access to it.

It's up to the parents not the state on what is right and wrong for a minor to see. I think that currant laws are enough. Child Porn is a crime... go after those that harm children. 18 year old or older laws for access to porn is fine by me also. But that's not really going to stop children from getting it.

Before the day of the internet, getting porn was just as easy. It's called a magazine. I remember being 12-13 years old and getting them all the time. Porn and children are a normal thing though also. The Human Body becomes sexually active far before the age of 18-21. I believe that limiting it's access to minors is okay but going after a 16 year old male or female is a waste of time and resources. Teenagers will look at porn. Simple as that.

As an adult. I enjoy adult entertainment. When I was in a relationship my partner enjoyed it also. We were both adults. She watched and viewed as much adult material as I did.

Parents should have filters on their personal computers. It should not be a state mandated program.
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Unfortunately what you are describing to me comes across as a mixture of kids growing up and failed parenting, lets be realistic here no matter how old we are we all pushed the boundaries in the process of growing up but most of us knew where to stop and that was usually well short of blowing up a tanker or killing someone.

I would contend if asked the kid knew what he was doing was seriously wrong and as such should be punished accordingly from this he should learn at least where one boundary is. I would also be very happy if his parents were billed for any damages he may have incurred that way they might spend more time explaining the seriousness of boundaries and less time assuming he knew something.

I've got my own views on parental responsibility, however the government have already emasculated parents in the raising of their children, so now it is up to them to help offset the effects of their actions.
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I would agree and worst of all they have also managed to emasculate the police and schools in dealing with kids at their end (at least in this part of the world) as well which leads me to believe that the government is not capable of making the decisions that your one is trying to.
 
MontyB said:
Unfortunately what you are describing to me comes across as a mixture of kids growing up and failed parenting, lets be realistic here no matter how old we are we all pushed the boundaries in the process of growing up but most of us knew where to stop and that was usually well short of blowing up a tanker or killing someone.
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I also did some things that had I been caught would have had far reaching consequences for my future, a mixture of sly cunning and enormous good luck meant that I wasn't caught. In fact, I would go so far as to say that bye and large, I was regarded as a "good kid" in the community.

I'm sure that my parents went to their graves thinking that they had been good parents, they certainly set good examples.

I would contend if asked the kid knew what he was doing was seriously wrong and as such should be punished accordingly from this he should learn at least where one boundary is. I would also be very happy if his parents were billed for any damages he may have incurred that way they might spend more time explaining the seriousness of boundaries and less time assuming he knew something.
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I'm only guessing here, but I'd say the kid did as he did thinking not so much in terms of whether it was right or wrong, but that he would not be caught. This is a well accepted and understood tenet in criminology. I would argue that this type of behaviour is more prevalent in kids who are given lots of leeway, and exacerbated by bad social examples by adults.

The fact that adults are not willing to limit such things as porn on a public system such as the internet is a good example of adults making irresponsible decisions. If they can do it, why can't I? We all know how quickly kids will pickup on these little signals that we send either individually or as a group.

In short, not doing something about easily accessible porn on the Internet sends the wrong message entirely.
I would agree and worst of all they have also managed to emasculate the police and schools in dealing with kids at their end (at least in this part of the world) as well which leads me to believe that the government is not capable of making the decisions that your one is trying to.
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The fact that the Government has made a series of poor decisions in the past, is no reason why they should be prevented from trying to at least limit the damage in the future.
 
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senojekips said:
In short, not doing something about easily accessible porn on the Internet sends the wrong message entirely.
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To a certain point I agree with you however where does it stop?

We have a lot of obese people in this world should the government step in and tell us what we can and can't eat?

There are a lot of slogans on things people find offensive should the government control those as well?

I really do believe we spend far to much time avoiding a measure self control and responsibility by abdicating it to our respective governments.
 
MontyB said:
To a certain point I agree with you however where does it stop?
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It never stops. It never has, and it never will, life goes on and the rules that govern it must change with the times. The day it "stops", civilization as we know it (or desire it to be) begins to die.

We have a lot of obese people in this world should the government step in and tell us what we can and can't eat?

There are a lot of slogans on things people find offensive should the government control those as well?
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All of these things are being looked at as we speak and are more or less under constant review. Mainly at the insistence of the taxpaying public. In Australia, there would not be a week that goes by where someone or another, is not demanding that the Government control the eating habits of our kids, advertising of junk food etc. (and also for adults although not quite as often)

I really do believe we spend far to much time avoiding a measure self control and responsibility by abdicating it to our respective governments.
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I agree 100%. Unfortunately this is all bought about because some people just won't take responsibility and don't wish to exercise self control.

As much as it would be nice to be able to run our own lives there is a responsibility by government to enact laws for the greater good especially where the effect of their action or inaction affect the public purse. Once again when looked at, this is almost always at the insistence of the public who are sick of paying for the results of previous Government mismanagement and inaction on the complainant's personal hobby horse.

Personally I think that the government absolutely love these little campaigns as it keeps the public eye off the real problems, such as Government waste. But that could be the subject of a thread all on it's own.
 
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senojekips said:
All of these things are being looked at as we speak and are more or less under constant review. Mainly at the insistence of the taxpaying public. In Australia, there would not be a week that goes by where someone or another, is not demanding that the Government control the eating habits of our kids, advertising of junk food etc. (and also for adults although not quite as often
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Are you sure its at the insistence of the tax paying public or the insistence of a few busy bodies who believe that they know whats best for society.

I can almost guarantee that every one of these "campaigns" is run by someone that prefers to be called "ms" and has a heart rending tale of how the government failed to protect her kid from something damn stupid that an ounce of intelligence would have avoided in the first place.
 
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MontyB said:
Are you sure its at the insistence of the tax paying public or the insistence of a few busy bodies who believe that they know whats best for society.

I can almost guarantee that every one of these "campaigns" is run by someone that prefers to be called "ms" and has a heart rending tale of how the government failed to protect her kid from something damn stupid that an ounce of intelligence would have avoided in the first place.
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On this point I'm afraid that I must concede total defeat. This has long been my personal view, but it must be admitted that after all is said and done, I am a cynic of the highest order.

Yes, I can see where you are coming from regarding some of these campaigns. But to return to the original debate, I can see no practical, moral or socially redeeming features in porn being made available to children, regardless of the medium.
 
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Freedom means responsibility. As long as we fail to be responsible, we will neither have nor deserve freedom.
People think freedom is easy, that it's the easiest way to live when in fact it is the hardest way to do it right. But it's rewarding if you put in the effort.
I think I like where this thread went though it was about a pretty unlikely topic.
 
Britney said:
I thought it was up to the parents to monitor their children?
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Do you know any parent who can watch their child 24/7 ?

If that were the case no child would ever do anything wrong, and i think we all know how erroneous that is. Most parents would be lucky to spend 5% of their time physically watching what their children are doing.

Anyway, this thread is now a non event, as the Australian Government never went ahead with the scheme.
 
senojekips said:
Do you know any parent who can watch their child 24/7 ?

If that were the case no child would ever do anything wrong, and i think we all know how erroneous that is. Most parents would be lucky to spend 5% of their time physically watching what their children are doing.

Anyway, this thread is now a non event, as the Australian Government never went ahead with the scheme.
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what do you mean if mine had done this i dont think they would still be a live today...
i think they would of met an unfortunate end of my doing...

senojekips said:
It wasn't deliberate, nor as a result of public opinion.

Just typical politicians making promises they know that they'll never keep. All to distract the public from whatever else was going on at the time.
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this government wanted to be seen as the saviors of everything including our childrens innocence
 
captiva303 said:
what do you mean if mine had done this i dont think they would still be a live today...
i think they would of met an unfortunate end of my doing...
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I would say that you have a lot of surprises in line for you in years to come. We all think we know what our kids are doing, and 90% of the time we're possibly making a good guess,..... it's the other 10% of the time that you have no idea about. Somethings you'll never find out, but in the future you will come across enough to let you know that you were not as all seeing as you might think.

My children are 34 and 32, and I'd say they were just about perfect kids, they had to be,... as they only had their Mother to look after them most of the time. But,... every now and again i find out something I had no idea of, and it wasn't for the lack of trying.

Just from personal experience I know that my parents never had any idea of some of the things i did, I was just sly enough to never be caught.
captiva303 said:
this government wanted to be seen as the saviors of everything including our childrens innocence
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Well,... if you look about you someone has got to do it, as has been shown in this thread, parents can't be there 100% of the time, and believe it or not, there are parents who couldn't care, we see their kids in the news regularly.
 
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senojekips said:
I would say that you have a lot of surprises in line for you in years to come. We all think we know what our kids are doing, and 90% of the time we're possibly making a good guess,..... it's the other 10% of the time that you have no idea about. Somethings you'll never find out, but in the future you will come across enough to let you know that you were not as all seeing as you might think.

My children are 34 and 32, and I'd say they were just about perfect kids, they had to be,... as they only had their Mother to look after them most of the time. But,... every now and again i find out something I had no idea of, and it wasn't for the lack of trying.

Just from personal experience I know that my parents never had any idea of some of the things i did, I was just sly enough to never be caught.Well,... if you look about you someone has got to do it, as has been shown in this thread, parents can't be there 100% of the time, and believe it or not, there are parents who couldn't care, we see their kids in the news regularly.
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i was more so making a statement about the krudd governments political tactics by announcing things and well...
although i was in principal in support of this particular idea.
but that 10 % you have mentioned often will teach them how to deal with life (with in reason of course).
and as for the first bit, i was actually commenting on my childhood, if my parents kept a constant watch over me 24/7 i don't think they would of survived...
and i am sure i have a lot of surprises for me indeed, i like surprises...
good or bad it is all bound to happen some time...
 
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Don't even bother talking party politics to me. I'm a firm believer that those who are so stupid as to take sides in party politics, deserve everything they get. I treat all Parties with total disdain, and without fear or favour.

Party politics is what holds Australia back, the only man who can really get the attention of a politician is the man who is a potential swinging voter. I play them at their own game.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
I think this is nonsense. This isn't going to stop kids from getting porn and it'll just make life harder for the rest of us. -snip-
Not to mention the precedent with the ban on the freedom of speech.
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Absolutely second that.

Again, a restrictive -hence useless and stupid- Govenment approach to something that should be taken care of by devoting the necessary time to properly educate and "armor" your children towards lifes´issues they will run to anyway.

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Is that just in Australia or all over the world? right now the last thing I need is something else to slow my connection down.
 
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