Thanks, I'll be ignoring you from now on.
The German invasion of Russia:
Thanks, I'll be ignoring you from now on.
senojekips
Active member
In other words you are saying. "Agree with me, or I am quite justified in my enormous arrogance" You are not looking for informed debate, you are merely trolling.
Did it ever occur to you that, that is what a debate is, peoples opinions. Two people can read the same book and arrive at completely different opinions as to the outcome. This is often shaped by external influences such as in this case.
There is absolutely nothing to say that your opinion carries any more weight than that of anyone else. All you seem to be saying is that you think you have read more books on the subject at hand. Well.... that may be so, but it does not necessarily follow that your opinions are any the wiser for it.
Having read endless books on anatomy doesn't make you a surgeon.
Maybe you and the rest should stop assuming what I mean or meant or am thinking, etc? Address what I've written if you want to say something to me, this is pointless bickering, which I'm not here for. My opinions are backed up by factual information, most of yours aren't. You are free to believe what you want, but believing is different from knowing and understanding.
senojekips
Active member
My assumptions and no doubt those of others, as to what you mean, are formed exactly the same way as yours are about the material that you have read. They are formed based on what you say, I have no alternative unless you know of a crystal ball.
This is exactly my point, we only "believe", you profess to "know". It sounds more like old soviet era propaganda every minute. As I said earlier, your ignorance is only exceeded by your enormous arrogance, and I think that is a very accurate assumption.
I'm ignorant now? Please, show me where I have professed something close to ignorance.
senojekips
Active member
By professing to "know" information, whereas you say that others only "believe", you ably demonstrate that you are ignorant of the facts in this regard.
It appears that you have made the grave mistake of interpreting a reasonable expectation of respect for the views of others as a weakness, this is both ignorant and arrogant in the extreme.
It appears that you have made the grave mistake of interpreting a reasonable expectation of respect for the views of others as a weakness, this is both ignorant and arrogant in the extreme.
You are reaching. This is now going into the realm of fantasy. If you'd like to discuss the topic at hand go ahead, I'm tired of you going off on tangents and I, personally, won't be doing it again. If you'd like to disprove or address something I've said in regards to the title of this thread, go ahead, otherwise stop wasting my time.
senojekips
Active member
You asked the question. Don't blame me if you don't like being told the answer. Or better still don't ask the question.
Well Guys, you asked for it, and that looks a pretty impressive list to me. Kunikov, I take my hat off to you. My apologies for pulling your leg earlier. I can now see that you are a serious student of your subject. I was merely attempting to pay Russia, in an ironic nut-shell, a historic compliment on their use of their immense natural resources. My compliments to you.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Perhaps I can make this easier for all of us, if you don't like what people say on the boards and you are not prepared to put some effort into proving your point why are you wasting your and our time by posting here?
I agree so spare us the self promotion and self righteous indignation and either say something useful or go away so that others can, its really not that difficult.
I enjoy when people learn from their own mistakes.
I'll make it easy for you, if you don't like what I have to say, ignore me.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
First you would actually have to say something.
So far all I see is a lot of self promotion and very little substance.
Doppleganger
Active member
So anyway, back on topic. A 2 season campaign is something that might have had a good chance of succeeding. Indeed, members of another forum attempting to role-play such a scenario but due to the huge complexity of actually running a simulation of the Eastern Front it broke down. Kunikov is probably aware of this as I am fairly sure he is also a member of the same forum:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=69528&highlight=operation+barbarossa
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=69528&highlight=operation+barbarossa
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
I really cannot see how a two campaign strategy would have worked given the comparative strengths and weaknesses of both armies at what would have been the end of the first campaign and the start of the second one.
My impression is that the Germans achieved as much as they did by not allowing the Russians a respite and time to regroup and rearm as soon as they were given that chance the tide of the war in the east changed which had to be expected when fighting a nation with such large quantities of resources.
An exercise in futility, especially since the essence of Blitzkrieg, is once again, ignored.
senojekips
Active member
Ahhh,.... now I see the true weakness of your argument.
Only an average person learns from his mistakes, but a really smart person learns from the mistakes of others. Like You.
The idea of fighting in the Winter was overlooked since the campaign was supposed to end before it. France was a fluke for Germany in the sense that it was planned to be a long campaign. What happened surprised them as much as the rest of the world. There are those that believe it wasn't Blitzkrieg, a theory and idea that I agree with.
Pull back? Pulling back would have eliminated any and all pockets of resistance, that's the opposite of what happened. The Red Army fought for dozens of cities and towns, hence the high numbers of POWs taken by the Germans. As for fighting 'only...in the winter months'...military actions on the Eastern Front took place year round.