Was General Montgomery really overrated in WW2? - Page 19




 
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August 3rd, 2005  
Lord Londonderry
 
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Originally Posted by LeEnfield
As far Montgomery goes as a General I would only rate him as average, he did breathe life into the 8 th Army in North Africa. Montgomery was not the first choice for the job but as the chap who did get the job was killed when his plane was shot down en route for North Africa thus giving Monty the job. Now the best thing Monty ever did was to stand up to Churchill and refused to attack until he was ready, this had Churchill spitting nails. Churchill had painted him self into a corner by his interference in the North African campaign, he ordered his Generals to attack before they had enough men and equipment to carry out a massive assault and when it failed he blamed and sacked them. As Churchill had got through so many Generals that Monty refused to attack until he was ready Churchill was stuck with him. The benefit from this was a stable and positive leadership from Monty and his Commonwealth Generals, the troops were retrained reequipped and made to feel that when they attacked then they would win. Montgomery's prediction on just how long the battle would last was correct to the day at AlElmein, after that he became a press Icon and like a few other Generals I think it affected his performance
I agree.
August 6th, 2005  
Young Winston
 
 
Good point.
August 10th, 2005  
specialasiankid
 
great defensive general. but i hav to think about offensive. he was pretty cautious. plus he had air force help which bombed about like 70 percent of Rommel's forces
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August 10th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
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I must agree he was overrated.
By a number of Brits, yes, but with a number of Americans I would say he's underrated.
And that sums up exactly how I feel about Monty. The Brits think too much of him and the Americans think too little of him.
August 20th, 2005  
Lord Londonderry
 
He certainly was a complex character.
September 27th, 2005  
CanadianCombat
 
 
i think that Uncle_Sam guy needs to learn his facts before he says anything. Monty was a good general for most of the time
November 1st, 2005  
Lord Londonderry
 
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Originally Posted by CanadianCombat
i think that Uncle_Sam guy needs to learn his facts before he says anything. Monty was a good general for most of the time
I agree. He is misunderstood. Particularly by some Americans.
November 6th, 2005  
knight01
 
i think u guys should leave monty alone he might'nt have been the beat commander of the war but neither was eisenhower and patton monty didn't lose the war for the allies so what are you complaining about and i would like to see some of you guys do what he did it was not britain or the usa that won the war it was russia and without them even eisenhower would be insulted. i belive that alexander should have been put in command of the entire western europe he was a much better general than eisenhower and the usa should even thank themselves lucky britain even agreed to participate in d day without the british leadership the usa would have made it a disaster so hang off mont he was an exelent defensive general and he did a superb job on d day.
November 7th, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
Eisenhower was a great manager, who had the difficult tasks of controlling different Generals with over sized ego's. Ike delegated out out jobs and let people get on with it, and to be quite honest I don't think there was any one around who could have done a better job.
December 13th, 2005  
Reiben
 
 
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Originally Posted by Uncle_Sam
Romell was the greatest German general of WWII with a few others, (Ewald von Kleist, Guderian, ....)
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Originally Posted by Uncle_Sam
There is a view that Rommel was a great divisional commander and corps commander. However I dont think he was the best german general of WW2. I would have to say that Von Manstein was the best german general. Lost Victories by Von Manstein is a good book to read about the eastern front in particular. The Hitler Book gives an interesting spin on german strategy and Hitler.


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Originally Posted by redcoat
Is Monty overrated ????
By the British, yes !
However, by the US he is underrated.
I couldnt agree more. Lot of nationalism in the Monty debate and not just by the ppl posting.

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Originally Posted by Doppleganger
They also never faced the same level of quality as by 1944, the quality of new German recruits was in most cases very low. Even the elite Panzer and SS Panzer Divisions assigned to the West were in many cases battered units sent from the Eastern Front for refit and were in some cases rebuilt almost from scratch. Their combat replacements in terms of men were of the same low quality.


The western front was regarded as a rest area for german units to refit after the eastern front. But the units did contain a core of battle experienced troops. To call the elite units low quality is a diservice if not totally untrue. Certainly there was low quality units in France but there were quality units too. Besides often those units in France went back to the eastern front to fight the soviets. It is also worth pointing out that although the germans were expecting an invasion and need to protect their western front.

With regards to Monty, I would say not a great as some people and not as bad as others think.

The Auk prepared a plan for Alam Halfa and Monty took the credit. If the Auk had the time and resources Monty had the germans may have been defeated earlier. Afterall the Auk was the first general defeat Rommel. Pity he let Cunnigham and Richie command the army and not when he had to, but C-in-C has a lot to do. The Auk constantly had to put up with Churchill pushing for battles before he was ready. Monty got more time and more resources.

O'Connor and the Auk are the two british (western) generals I am interested in. I always remember O'Connor saying on the World at War that he blamed himself for not pushing the italian/germans out. Well troops where diverted to support a strategy made by Churchill and it wasnt O'Connors fault. I can understand why Churchill wanted to support Greece, but it was a big mistake.

Pity O'Connor was captured.