Was General Montgomery really overrated in WW2? - Page 18




 
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July 27th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
...if Montgomery had listened to Dutch Resistence intelligence and photographic reconnacence...
July 27th, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
Charge 7......Was Montgomery informed of the information from the Dutch underground and just information had military intelligence had given him re these matters.
July 28th, 2005  
Young Winston
 
 
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Originally Posted by LeEnfield
Charge 7......Was Montgomery informed of the information from the Dutch underground and just information had military intelligence had given him re these matters.
You may have to do some research here Mr Charge.
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July 28th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
And it couldn't just be possible that it is you in need of some research?
July 29th, 2005  
Young Winston
 
 
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
And it couldn't just be possible that it is you in need of some research?
Why don't you answer LeEnfields question?
July 29th, 2005  
Strongbow
 
 
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Originally Posted by Charge 7
And it couldn't just be possible that it is you in need of some research?

Mr Charge is correct but the dear man seems to be a bit tardy in showing his sources (a forum rule). I’ll try and help him out.

“the road to Nijmegen and beyond was very exposed, and could easily be swept by fire from anti-tank guns. Montgomery was advised about this by the Dutch, but decided to ignore the warning. The US 1st Army, under Hodges, were supposed to cover the right flank; afterwards, Dempsey in particular pointed to their inability to do so as one of the main causes of failure. But Hodges and his men were stuck in the difficult area round Aachen. Their assistance, while useful, should never have been counted on.”

an extract from Montgomery of Alamein (p.293) by Alun Chalfont. ISBN 0 417 01910 6.
July 29th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Forum rules do not require you to backup what is common knowledge. It's in all the histories of Market Garden. I didn't feel I had to back up the statement, but I thank Strongbow for the assist nonetheless.
August 2nd, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
As far Montgomery goes as a General I would only rate him as average, he did breathe life into the 8 th Army in North Africa. Montgomery was not the first choice for the job but as the chap who did get the job was killed when his plane was shot down en route for North Africa thus giving Monty the job. Now the best thing Monty ever did was to stand up to Churchill and refused to attack until he was ready, this had Churchill spitting nails. Churchill had painted him self into a corner by his interference in the North African campaign, he ordered his Generals to attack before they had enough men and equipment to carry out a massive assault and when it failed he blamed and sacked them. As Churchill had got through so many Generals that Monty refused to attack until he was ready Churchill was stuck with him. The benefit from this was a stable and positive leadership from Monty and his Commonwealth Generals, the troops were retrained reequipped and made to feel that when they attacked then they would win. Montgomery's prediction on just how long the battle would last was correct to the day at AlElmein, after that he became a press Icon and like a few other Generals I think it affected his performance
August 2nd, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
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Originally Posted by LeEnfield
Now the best thing Monty ever did was to stand up to Churchill and refused to attack until he was ready, this had Churchill spitting nails.
I wholeheartedly agree. Monty's been criticized many times for moving too slowly and deservedly so at times, but that was one time when he was doing quite the correct thing. General Ritchie didn't do that and paid the price. It may be that Monty's pension for digging in his heals may have its roots in just that instance. Taking his time won him the battle and his fame. It could be understood if recalling that was ever on his mind.
August 2nd, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 

Topic: Re: Was General Montgomery really overrated in WW2?


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Originally Posted by Young Winston
I have always considered Monty to be an excellent "defensive" general but believed he lacked something in attack mode eg Operation Market Garden.

What do others think?

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