Funny thing about terrorists - Page 4




 
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Boots
 
May 7th, 2005  
Redleg
 
 
Gentlemen, now lets calm down and try to have a civilized conversation here!

And I agree with Missileer, I would appreciate an intro post by you in the Welcoming centre Jack_Mordino.
It's a bit easier (and better) to know at least a tiny bit about the person(s) you are dicussing with..


Now let's continue on topic here from now on.

Thanks.
May 8th, 2005  
Jack_Mordino
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Missileer
Let me remind you of the rule on flaming people and Countries. I suggest you read them.

How about letting us know a little more about you. There is not much in your profile.
I had ABSOLUTELY no intention to flame any country. Absolutely. My response would have been exactly the same nomatter what your nationality would be. I don't care the least bit which country is the greatest today as it is sure that Greece has long past its days of glory. So please don't take it patriotic, I just like to see things a bit "phislosophical" and my response was aimed towards the meaning and not the label of your post. And I'd like to keep available information about me as little as possible as I want to be judged by what I say and not by what pedigrees I have under my belt. I will provide some information but I'm a bit short of time at the moment.
May 8th, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
Gentlemen, now lets calm down and try to have a civilized conversation here!

And I agree with Missileer, I would appreciate an intro post by you in the Welcoming centre Jack_Mordino.
It's a bit easier (and better) to know at least a tiny bit about the person(s) you are dicussing with..


Now let's continue on topic here from now on.

Thanks.
Got it Redleg, It's just a misunderstanding of content and meaning which happens here sometimes.
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Boots
May 8th, 2005  
Jack_Mordino
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Redleg
And I agree with Missileer, I would appreciate an intro post by you in the Welcoming centre Jack_Mordino.
It's a bit easier (and better) to know at least a tiny bit about the person(s) you are dicussing with..
Thanks.
I posted an introductory post of myself on the welcoming center, "a member from Greece"
May 15th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack_Mordino

I agree with what you say. Of course Laden's target is not to defy the westerners of their liberties. Perhaps after an event like 9/11 every measure taken to suppress terrorism seems logical, nomatter how un-liberal it might be. I especially agree on what you say about paper tigers, but I fear that terrorism has become a paper tiger in its own right. For example, in my country which has never been the target of any muslim-fundamentalist terrorist attack (at least in the last two decades), the same law enforcement acts have been voted as in most other european countries, and by the way, most of them are clear violations of our constitution. And I don't mean about nail clippers on plains, I mean that never before did the law enforcers had the right to enter someone's house WITHOUT a DA warrant, but just on the hint of suspicion, and a hint of suspicion is very easy to forge. I mean laws on allowing the state to systematically violate individual privacy, even in his house. I have not studied te act thoroughly but there must be much more to it.

As you understand, from the anti-terrorist point of view all these seem logical and useful, and truth is they are. HOWEVER, these same laws might be used for reasons very different than anti-terrorist protection. Political intrigue, easy gagging of journalists or other anti-government voices, etc etc.
We are talking about big stuff here, stuff that could strip all the essence of the word "democracy" away, while it would still be called that way. In a democracy the most basic, fundamental, necessary qualities there must be is freedom of speech and privacy. Without that you have no democracy, period.
Suddenly, one realizes that a prime-minister, a president, or even a police high ranker can become much more powerful than he should be.

For me, all the above are much greater dangers for a citizen than a potential terrorist attack. I mean, for christ sake, traffic accidents are first cause of death in the ages of 18-40 in almost all western countries. Imagine all that money spent on antiterrorist equipment and personnel spent on obligatory driving lessons, safety equipment both on and off vehicle... The point is car accidents don't defy any authority, so its easy for the guys with power to just ignore this or just pretend to be doing something ...
That is some scary . I didn't know about these disturbing developments in Greece. I know that in the UK they can arrest you indefinitely without trial if you are a "terrorist suspect" and in Germany they made it easier for the government to spy on telecommunication of citizens (phone, e-mail etc...)