Funny or a Crime? - Page 2




 
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July 27th, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
Actually it's not a Crime to possess or collect Medals. It is a crime to wear Military Decorations you have not been awarded.

Yes it happens quite a bit Check out the book "Stolen Valor".
does that law apply for relatives? over here you can wear your blood relatives medals (on the other side of the chest) for rememberence events
July 28th, 2005  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
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Originally Posted by ghost457
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Originally Posted by Arclight
I don't see anything wrong with the scene in the movie (it's just a movie), but I do think the website part was in bad taste.
i agree 100% one (big) reason for movies and video games is to do things that cant (or shouldnt) be done in real life, this is one such example. now, im not saying that i would see the movie just to see people wear fake medals, but in generality thats why I like them.
If a movie would do no harm, then none of those stupid kids would have lied in the middle of the road testing their nerve like in the movie the Program. People are so stupid these days they will do something just because it is in a movie.

Here is my beef, and surprise, Hollywood is involved. Hollywood is so freakin anti war it is not even funny. I sat in Kuwait preparing for war as those who enjoy the fruits of America the most dishonored everyone in a uniform. Only a few people like Charlie Daniels struck back at them (READ ABOUT IT). Now they cry that the 1700+ dead and 14,000+ wounded where all for a lost cause headed by President Bush. If they cared about those fallen soldiers, then they would respect and honor those who fell. This dishonoring of the Purple Heart shows that Hollywood cares about 2 things; themselves and money.

I feel that if you find nothing wrong with dishonoring things like the Purple Heart, then you have no honor or respect. Thousands of people have given the ultimate sacrifice in combat so others may not see/experience the hell of war. Others come home bearing the wounds of combat. And how are they honored? Thru a movie that tells ignorant Americans that they can get free alcohol by pretending to be a Purple Heart recipient. I wish George Patton were still around because he would give you a fist full of obsenities that may actually get through to you. I challenge you to pull that crap around a military base and see how many soldiers would be more than willing to make you earn that Purple Heart with your own blood.

SGT Doody
July 28th, 2005  
Arclight
 
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Originally Posted by Doody
If a movie would do no harm, then none of those stupid kids would have lied in the middle of the road testing their nerve like in the movie the Program. People are so stupid these days they will do something just because it is in a movie.
So what are you saying there? Should movies not be filmed anymore because they influence people to do rash and insensible things? In that case, let's stop reading books, watching television, listen to the radio, etc..

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Here is my beef, and surprise, Hollywood is involved. Hollywood is so freakin anti war it is not even funny. I sat in Kuwait preparing for war as those who enjoy the fruits of America the most dishonored everyone in a uniform. Only a few people like Charlie Daniels struck back at them (READ ABOUT IT). Now they cry that the 1700+ dead and 14,000+ wounded where all for a lost cause headed by President Bush. If they cared about those fallen soldiers, then they would respect and honor those who fell. This dishonoring of the Purple Heart shows that Hollywood cares about 2 things; themselves and money.
I don't see how protesting against a war that they see as unjustified in anyway dishonors the soldiers who are to fight it. You can protest a war, and still support the troops.

Who says they don't respect and honor those who have fallen? They obviously do care about those who have fallen, because they do not want to see more fall, which is why they continue to oppose the war.

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I feel that if you find nothing wrong with dishonoring things like the Purple Heart, then you have no honor or respect. Thousands of people have given the ultimate sacrifice in combat so others may not see/experience the h**l of war. Others come home bearing the wounds of combat. And how are they honored? Thru a movie that tells ignorant Americans that they can get free alcohol by pretending to be a Purple Heart recipient. I wish George Patton were still around because he would give you a fist full of obsenities that may actually get through to you. I challenge you to pull that crap around a military base and see how many soldiers would be more than willing to make you earn that Purple Heart with your own blood.
I love how you have gone from "this is depicted in the movie" to "it tells you to do this from the movie". It was a meaningless joke in the movie that was blown out of proportion. The scene in no way tells Americans it is okay to do that stuff.

Disrespect would be telling someone to do it and telling them it is okay to do it. They movie in no way did that.

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I wish George Patton were still around because he would give you a fist full of obsenities that may actually get through to you. I challenge you to pull that crap around a military base and see how many soldiers would be more than willing to make you earn that Purple Heart with your own blood.
Rational debate would get farther through than a bunch of obsenities.

I can't even begin to respond to that letter by Charlie Daniels.
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July 28th, 2005  
Missileer
 
 
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Originally Posted by Arclight
I don't see how protesting against a war that they see as unjustified in anyway dishonors the soldiers who are to fight it. You can protest a war, and still support the troops.

Who says they don't respect and honor those who have fallen? They obviously do care about those who have fallen, because they do not want to see more fall, which is why they continue to oppose the war.
In a time of war, protesting your troops being there emboldens the enemy by thinking the tide is turning in their favor. Do you not think that this junk that slathers out of the mouths of the "protesters" are hurting the troops by telling them that they should not be doing what they are doing? That is called aiding and abetting the enemy because it is played all over the Middle Eastern radio and TV stations. Zarqawi loves that type of "patriotism."
July 28th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
When they post a printable version of the Purple Heart Medal on a website with the following.

Guarentees you attention, admiration and plenty of free booze.


Then it becomes offensive. And I doubt you'll find very many Service Members, Vet's or the families of Service Members who received the Purple Heart posthumously agreeing it's a joke.

Regardless of your take on it a certain segement of society does not take the award of the Purple Heart lightly.
July 28th, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
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Originally Posted by Doody
I feel that if you find nothing wrong with dishonoring things like the Purple Heart, then you have no honor or respect. Thousands of people have given the ultimate sacrifice in combat so others may not see/experience the h**l of war. Others come home bearing the wounds of combat. And how are they honored? Thru a movie that tells ignorant Americans that they can get free alcohol by pretending to be a Purple Heart recipient. I wish George Patton were still around because he would give you a fist full of obsenities that may actually get through to you. I challenge you to pull that crap around a military base and see how many soldiers would be more than willing to make you earn that Purple Heart with your own blood.

SGT Doody
Right on, SGT.
July 28th, 2005  
Arclight
 
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In a time of war, protesting your troops being there emboldens the enemy by thinking the tide is turning in their favor. Do you not think that this junk that slathers out of the mouths of the "protesters" are hurting the troops by telling them that they should not be doing what they are doing? That is called aiding and abetting the enemy because it is played all over the Middle Eastern radio and TV stations. Zarqawi loves that type of "patriotism."
What course of action should opponents of the war take? You leave the opposition in a rut.

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When they post a printable version of the Purple Heart Medal on a website with the following.

Guarentees you attention, admiration and plenty of free booze.


Then it becomes offensive. And I doubt you'll find very many Service Members, Vet's or the families of Service Members who received the Purple Heart posthumously agreeing it's a joke.

Regardless of your take on it a certain segement of society does not take the award of the Purple Heart lightly.
I agree. The printable version was way out of line. I never contested that. As I have said before, movies are movies. They are there to portray things we may not like or will never do. The line is drawn when someone actually commits the crime.

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I feel that if you find nothing wrong with dishonoring things like the Purple Heart, then you have no honor or respect.
Dishonor. That is an interesting word in relation to a movie. Movies these days dishonor everything. The institution of marriage was dishonored by this movie. But did I get up in arms? No, because it was a movie. I am not disrespecting the Purple Heart by saying "I found nothing wrong with the scene" (maybe not the best choice of words, I admit) because A) It was in a movie of pure fiction, and B) They do not specifically tell people to do it in the movie. Disrespect, in my opinion, only comes from the act of going through with what is portrayed.

I guess my choice of words in "nothing wrong" was poor. Sure, I may find it to be tasteless, but I am not going to protest it. It was a movie and movies are movies. They are not to be taken seriously, especially not one of the comedy genre.

Don't get me wrong, I have a whole bunch of respect for what our military is doing and what they have given already. (I plan on joining up once I get out of college.) I argue a devil's advocate position here, on whether this scene should be a "crime" or not.

In retrospect, I'd just like to highlight this post. It sums it up well.

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Is it a tasteless and gutter-humor idea for a scene? yeah.

Was it a good idea to pull the part of the website? yeah.

Is it going to destroy the millitary ethos of our country? Not really.
July 28th, 2005  
DTop
 
 
I don't care what they say about getting something free for wearing a paper copy of a PH. I feel that this is just another example of Hollywood pseudo-liberals dishonoring soldiers in general and specifically those of us who have been awarded PHs.
Who in their right mind would even think of wearing a medal into a bar to get free drinks? I sure wouldn't. In my opinion trivializing a purple heart like this is a disgrace. It see it as an affront to anyone who has ever been soldier. I don't think I'll be buying a ticket to this one.
Although I do support the film makers, I guess I oppose their movies
July 28th, 2005  
Redneck
 
 
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Originally Posted by DTop
Although I do support the film makers, I guess I oppose their movies



That made my day, Top.

The only time I've ever seen a non-bum wear a medal/decoration aside from at a military function or formal event was an MOH recipient who was wearing the baby blue buttonhole pin (not really sure just what they're called), and 1) nobody who didn't already know what it was would notice it, and 2) after you get an MOH you've kind of earned the right to all the recognition you could ever possibly get.
July 28th, 2005  
DTop
 
 
You're right about the lapel pins. I have worn those on Memorial Days and to certain Veterans Groups' functions. Outside of fellow veterans, nobody's even taken notice as far as I could tell.