French lingerie, wine boycotts, and freedom braids?




View Poll Results :Concerning the war on terrorism, I think the French government is
a stark ally committed to winning the war on terrorism. 2 11.76%
a moderate ally somewhat committed to winning the war on terrorism. 2 11.76%
supporting agendas that socially, politically, and economically benefit only the French. 10 58.82%
a moderate foe passively undermining cohesive alliances in the war on terrorism. 2 11.76%
a stark foe actively undermining cohesive alliances in the war on terrorism. 1 5.88%
Voters: 17. You may not vote on this poll

 
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August 17th, 2004  
David Hurlbert
 

Topic: French lingerie, wine boycotts, and freedom braids?


Last year many people in general and Americans in particular watched with disgust as French President Jacques Chirac sought to rally an international coalition to oppose the U.S. led war in Iraq. At the same time, a French public opinion poll showed that one quarter of the French population actually supported Saddam Hussein at the start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Since then, new stories have emerged almost daily of how the government of French President Chirac has sought to undermine the coalition’s efforts toward democracy in Iraqi and the U.S. war on terror publicly sniping at America and her allies while inciting other countries to do the same. American citizens have struck back with boycotts and strong anti-French sentiment. Did France betray her American ally? This forum is soliciting some opinions around France as either a friend or foe in the war on terror?
August 17th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
A self interest government that indoctrinates it's people with far left views of the world. That being said, this is probobly going to be closed, I think we have a o French Bashing rule around here.
August 17th, 2004  
David Hurlbert
 
Mod Edit: Removed, not topic related. Check PMs
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August 17th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
David, look at my name. I'm as conservative and jingoistic about America as they come (And proud of it ) I didn't vote because I'm rather busy here in real life. If it were up to me, Id let you say what you want, but (sombody correct me if I'm wrong) we have a no-French bashing policy on account of the many Europeans here. I'm with you not against you. I hate the French government, not just for being selfish in their undercover oil deals, but because of their banning of religouse symbols, and their role in the Rwanda genocides.
August 17th, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
There is no reason for this thread to be closed, GuyontheRight. As it stands now, it seems to me to be a very valid topic. If it does however turn into a namecalling or irresponsible/immature thread it will be closed, just like any other thread here.


In answer to your question, David, I believe that the French government is unquestionably by, of, and for the French, and particularly the French government. I would not go so far as to call them our enemy, but they are certainly not our ally in this.
August 17th, 2004  
David Hurlbert
 
Redneck, thanks for your comments.......and when you find the time read this French point of view. For me this essay is justification after justification with a theme of fear over losing American dollars:

http://home.earthlink.net/~descubes/damn-french.html

However, I do know a lot of Americans who are not buying anything French (even the French products that are made here in the USA like Glaceau smartwater). Many people worldwide, including many Iraqis are also saying NO THANKS to French products! This author appears not very well informed. Perhaps this author should start with reading an excellent book called The French Betrayal of America.
August 17th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
From the essay...

Quote:
Why are there always bad feelings between the French and the Americans? Don't tell me it started with the Iraqi war. A silly illustration of background anti-French sentiment in the US is a video tape for kids, called "VeggiTales - Josh and the Big Wall", published by Big Idea Productions. This is a well-thinking tape for kids, talking about the Bible story of Josh horns. My kids love it, in particular a scene where the Israeli, represented by little vegetables, start walking around the big walls and the enemy drops cans of slimy soda on their heads. What they find really funny is that the people on the wall are silly green peas who talk with, guess what, a french accent. And then, in case you did not get it, they call each other Philippe and Jean-Claude, which everybody knows were widely used first names in the middle east at the time of Josh.
First off, this guy knows absolutely nothing about VeggiTales. If he did, he'd know that those peas are in every story Big Idea does, and that using them as the Judeans was just filling up characters. Those little peas are hilarious, and they've done good guy roles too, yes still with their French accents. This ain't being anti-French, for God sakes the Tomatoes name is Bob!
August 17th, 2004  
Desire
 
I do not think we are bashing the french. The fact remains that they go around with there anti US ideals until the time comes that they need us..then they are the US's best friend.

I say those that have begun to boycott French product are doing the right thing and i for one support them.
August 17th, 2004  
GuyontheRight
 
As do I, I havn't bought an Addidas item in 2 years.
August 17th, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
I agree that The french just make decisions that affect them and are for there benefit, but then so does every country in the world - USA and Kyoto treaty - frence just did it in a very public way, the french like all europeans have to worry about terrorists and in some ways france is even more vulnerable then other countries as they have a high arab population so terrorists can hide better. I dont agree with the french government trying to destabilise the forming of democracy in iraq and i believe that they went a bit far in trying to stop the war, but they are with us in afganistan, kosovo, macedonia (yes i know the french have been accused of supporting the serbians). There doing there bit, if there opposed to the war in iraq ok, so was the UN.