Freedom of the Press? National Security?

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Congress better REALLY protect the press...or...



From the NY Times:

In Leak Cases, New Pressure on Journalists

By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: April 30, 2006

Earlier administrations have fired and prosecuted government officials who provided classified information to the press. They have also tried to force reporters to identify their sources.

[Related:
The Nation: There Are Leaks. And Then There Are Leaks. (April 30, 2006) ]

But the Bush administration is exploring a more radical measure to protect information it says is vital to national security: the criminal prosecution of reporters under the espionage laws.
Such an approach would signal a thorough revision of the informal rules of engagement that have governed the relationship between the press and the government for many decades. Leaking in Washington is commonplace and typically entails tolerable risks for government officials and, at worst, the possibility of subpoenas to journalists seeking the identities of sources.
But the Bush administration is putting pressure on the press as never before, and it is operating in a judicial climate that seems increasingly receptive to constraints on journalists.

In the last year alone, a reporter for The New York Times was jailed for refusing to testify about a confidential source; her source, a White House aide, was prosecuted on charges that he lied about his contacts with reporters; a C.I.A. analyst was dismissed for unauthorized contacts with reporters; and a raft of subpoenas to reporters were largely upheld by the courts.

It is not easy to gauge whether the administration will move beyond these efforts to criminal prosecutions of reporters. In public statements and court papers, administration officials have said the law allows such prosecutions and that they will use their prosecutorial discretion in this area judiciously. But there is no indication that a decision to begin such a prosecution has been made. A Justice Department spokeswoman, Tasia Scolinos, declined to comment on Friday.

Because such prosecutions of reporters are unknown, they are widely thought inconceivable. But legal experts say that existing laws may well allow holding the press to account criminally. Should the administration pursue the matter, these experts say, it could gain a tool that would thoroughly alter the balance of power between the government and the press.

The administration and its allies say that all avenues must be explored to ensure that vital national security information does not fall into the hands of the nation's enemies.

In February, Senator John Cornyn, Republican of Texas, asked Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales whether the government's investigation into The Times's disclosure of a National Security Agency eavesdropping program included "any potential violation for publishing that information."

Mr. Gonzales responded: "Obviously, our prosecutors are going to look to see all the laws that have been violated. And if the evidence is there, they're going to prosecute those violations."
Recent articles in conservative opinion magazines have been even more forceful.

"The press can and should be held to account for publishing military secrets in wartime," Gabriel Schoenfeld wrote in Commentary magazine last month.

Surprising Move by F.B.I.

One example of the administration's new approach is the F.B.I.'s recent effort to reclaim classified documents in the files of the late columnist Jack Anderson, a move that legal experts say was surprising if not unheard of.

"Under the law," Bill Carter, a spokesman for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said earlier this month, "no private person may possess classified documents that were illegally provided to them."

Critics of the administration position say that altering the conventional understanding between the press and government could have dire consequences.

"Once you make the press the defendant rather than the leaker," said David Rudenstine, the dean of the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law in New York and a First Amendment scholar, "you really shut down the flow of information because the government will always know who the defendant is."

The administration's position draws support from an unlikely source — the 1971 Supreme Court decision that refused to block publication by The Times and The Washington Post of the classified history of the Vietnam War known as the Pentagon Papers. The case is generally considered a triumph for the press. But two of the justices in the 6-to-3 majority indicated that there was a basis for after-the-fact prosecution of the newspapers that published the papers under the espionage laws.

Reading of Espionage Laws

Both critics and allies of the administration say that the espionage laws on their face may well be read to forbid possession and publication of classified information by the press. Two provisions are at the heart of the recent debates.

The first, enacted in 1917, is, according to a 2002 report by Susan Buckley, a lawyer who often represents news organizations, "at first blush, pretty much one of the scariest statutes around."
It prohibits anyone with unauthorized access to documents or information concerning the national defense from telling others. The wording of the law is loose, but it seems to contain a further requirement for spoken information. Repeating such information is only a crime, it seems, if the person doing it "has reason to believe" it could be used "to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation." That condition does not seem to apply to information from documents.

In the Pentagon Papers case, Justice Byron R. White, joined by Justice Potter Stewart, said "it seems undeniable that a newspaper" can be "vulnerable to prosecution" under the 1917 law.
Indeed, the Nixon administration considered prosecuting The Times even after the government lost the Pentagon Papers case, according to a 1975 memoir by Whitney North Seymour Jr., who was the United States attorney in Manhattan in the early 1970's. Mr. Seymour wrote that Richard G. Kleindienst, a deputy attorney general, suggested convening a grand jury in New York to that end. Mr. Seymour said he refused.

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Some experts believe he would not have won. The most authoritative analysis of the 1917 law, by Harold Edgar and Benno C. Schmidt Jr. in the Columbia Law Review in 1973, concluded, based largely on the law's legislative history, that it was not meant to apply to newspapers.
A second law is less ambiguous. Enacted in 1950, it prohibits publication of government codes and other "communications intelligence activities." Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor who took part in terrorism investigations in New York after the Sept. 11 attacks, said that both The Times, for its disclosures about the eavesdropping program, and The Post, for an article about secret C.I.A. prisons, had violated the 1917 law. The Times, he added, has also violated the 1950 law.

"It was irresponsible to publish these things," Mr. McCarthy said. "I wouldn't hesitate to prosecute."

The reporters who wrote the two articles recently won Pulitzer Prizes.

Even legal scholars who are sympathetic to the newspapers say the legal questions are not straightforward.

"They are making threats that they may be able to carry out technically, legally," Geoffrey R. Stone, a law professor at the University of Chicago and the author of "Perilous Times: Free Speech in Wartime," said of the administration. The law, Professor Stone added, "has always been understood to be about spying, not about newspapers, but read literally it could be applied to both."

Others say the law is unconstitutional as applied to the press under the First Amendment.

"I don't think that anyone believes that statute is constitutional," said James C. Goodale, who was the general counsel of The New York Times Company during the Pentagon Papers litigation. "Literally read, the statute must be violated countless times every year."

Rodney A. Smolla, the dean of the University of Richmond law school, took a middle ground. He said the existing laws were ambiguous but that in theory it could be constitutional to make receiving classified information a crime. However, he continued, the First Amendment may protect newspapers exposing wrongdoing by the government.

The two newspapers contend that their reporting did bring to light important information about potential government misconduct. Representatives of the papers said they had not been contacted by government investigators in connection with the two articles.

That is baffling, Mr. McCarthy said. At a minimum, he said, the reporters involved should be threatened with prosecution in an effort to learn their sources.

"If you think this is a serious offense and you really think national security has been damaged, and I do," he said, "you don't wait five or six months to ask the person who obviously knows the answer."

Case Against 2 Lobbyists

Curiously, perhaps the most threatening pending case for journalist is one brought against two former lobbyists for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or Aipac. The lobbyists, Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman, were indicted in August on charges of violating the 1917 law by receiving and repeating national defense information to foreign officials and reporters.
The lobbyists say the case against them is functionally identical to potential cases against reporters.

"You can't say, 'Well, this is constitutional as applied to lobbyists, but it wouldn't be constitutional if applied to journalists,' " Abbe D. Lowell, a lawyer for Mr. Rosen, said at a hearing in the case last month, according to a court transcript.

In court papers filed in January, prosecutors disagreed, saying lobbyist and journalist were different. But they would not rule out the possibility of also charging journalists under the law.
"Prosecution under the espionage laws of an actual member of the press for publishing classified information leaked to it by a government source would raise legitimate and serious issues and would not be undertaken lightly," the papers said. Indeed, they continued, "the fact that there has never been such a prosecution speaks for itself."

Some First Amendment lawyers suspect that the case against the lobbyists is but a first step.

"From the point of view of the administration expanding its powers, the Aipac case is the perfect case," said Ronald K. L. Collins, a scholar at the First Amendment Center, a nonprofit educational group in Virginia. "It allows them to try to establish the precedent without going after the press."

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I thought for sure someone would have a comment or two by now. I personally believe they are on the right track here. There will of course be bugs to work out to make things stay at a reasonable level but on the right track nonetheless.
 
Missed it... the Administration is on track with what they need to do in my opinion and I'd go further to say they should have got the ball rolling on this about four years ago at a minimum. And before some bleeding heart pie in the sky liberal begins a bout of oral diarhea about "freedom of the press" I'd offer the same argument that I did here ( http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/when-does-free-speach-cross-t18331.html ). You have no rights or freedoms except those granted you by the government, high sounding rhetoric invoking the almighty not withstanding.

Inter arma silent leges
 
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We are at a state of war with a group of folks that wish to wipe you and everyone that you love just because you're not one of them. Sorry but I think that some folks within our own government and our media need to be taken up the the gallows and allowed to swing in the wind.

Anyone remember the Rosenbergs?
 
A War against "Terrorism" also means a War without End.


Exactly. Its like saying "war against evil" or "war against crime". It will never end and its impossible to win. The war on terror didn't start on 9-11. Terrorism is much older than that. 200 years ago Terrorists were called Anarchists. WWI was started by a anarchist.

The only difference is that anarchist goals are political and most (not all) modern Terrorists goals are religious.

Whats even worse is our president saying he can retain his "war powers" until the war on terror is won. In other words: Forever.



[SIZE=-1]"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither" ...[/SIZE]


-Benjamin Franklin
 
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Going a tiny bit off-topic here.
Please stay on topic, and create a new thread if you want to continue to discuss the "new" topic here.

Thanks.
 
Missed it... the Administration is on track with what they need to do in my opinion and I'd go further to say they should have got the ball rolling on this about four years ago at a minimum. And before some bleeding heart pie in the sky liberal begins a bout of oral diarhea about "freedom of the press" I'd offer the same argument that I did here ( http://www.military-quotes.com/forum/when-does-free-speach-cross-t18331.html ). You have no rights or freedoms except those granted you by the government, high sounding rhetoric invoking the almighty not withstanding.

Inter arma silent leges

Bulldogg I will have to disagree with you on your statement of who gives who the power. The way our forefathers set up the system it was supposed to be the Government gets its power through the people not the other way around.

However everything else I agree with you...

It is to bad we don't live in a black and white world, it would make everything so much easier; but we don't so we must deal and we must deal in the most delicate balance of all, a civilization.
 
My point was that they publicly declared the power derives from the people but being realistic what they said is pure bollocks wrapped up in words invoking the Almighty and some excellent rhetoric... the fact of the matter is that the government, owing to a cowed and meek public, has complete control. Don't believe me pick the law of your choice you choose to exercise your "power" on and declare it void. Income tax is a nice one... don't pay taxes, millions of people would agree with you. What happens when you don't pay? Does the government respond with "Ok, you have the power after all, you are "the people"." ?? That's my point.
 
The point is that not only is terrorism not new, but even the terrorism of 9/11 is not new. USA was attacked as the champion of freedom, and therefore the main stumbling block to the idealogy of establishing an Islamic Caliphate across the world. Where would this world be without America? There is nowhere else for free countries to turn in their hour of need. This is a big lesson which has to be learned all over again by the chattering classes and the ignoramus's here in Britain. I have tried to warn people here what a disaster American isolationism would be. I constantly deplore the fashionable criticism of USA encouraged by the media know -nothings in our midst, and also, as it happens, whether you like it or not, I openly deplore the criticism of The President of USA. That is your business, here we should always show support for the American position, or fall.
That's it guys, and to those who think I'm a creep, well, up yours! Mine is a life-time honour of our friends, since World War 11. I knew your soldiers who came to save us then, as a tiny tot. They were great, and our place is right there with you in such times.
 
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That's it guys, and to those who think I'm a creep, well, up yours! Mine is a life-time honour of our friends, since World War 11. I knew your soldiers who came to save us then, as a tiny tot. They were great, and our place is right there with you in such times.

Got to love those Brits!

But seriously, no one has really addressed the issue of what would or could happen were the Government to step in and start prosecuting the media if/when they step over the line. Who draws that line? Where does it begin and end? Is there a gray area?

Will the media be more trustworthy if they are held to a higher standard of reporting? How about if they get judged on impartial vs sensationalism?

I think this will open up a Pandora's box of litigation that will not end any time soon.
 
With the preponderance of liberal cerebral manure dominating the sphere of politics and the judiciary it would be a ****ing mess. It would go down the same shite chute as education and free speech... selfish bastardisation will win out over practical sense.
 
With the preponderance of liberal cerebral manure dominating the sphere of politics and the judiciary it would be a ****ing mess. It would go down the same shite chute as education and free speech... selfish bastardisation will win out over practical sense.

Come come Bulldogg. Gimme some of that intelligent conversation you are noted for!!

I agree that it would wind up being a 6 ring circus. (Everyone not knowing where to look but having a good time looking)
 
Leaking as well as publishing classified information during a time of war IMO is a clear cut case of espionage and/or treason.
There is no grey area, no leeway.
There is a reason for documents being classified, it´s not up to reporters to decide for themselves if they cause damage by publishing them.
 
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Yeah news media causes more problems then they fix. And that is the problem they are trying to fix things instead of just reporting the facts.

Furthermore bulldogg, we just need to have some tea sometime ;)
 
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