Firearms Possession discussion (in response to yet another US shooting)




 
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Firearms Possession discussion (in response to yet another US shooting)
 
December 15th, 2012  
Capt Frogman
 
 

Topic: Firearms Possession discussion (in response to yet another US shooting)


Firearms Possession discussion (in response to yet another US shooting)
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Originally Posted by Sevens
Bulls**t. If someone wants something bad enough, they will find a way to get it.
If you care to read one of my previous posts:

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Originally Posted by Capt Frogman
The thing is though Hawky, no matter what measures you put in place, you'll never stop the wrong people getting hold of firearms.

If you're determined enough to get hold of a firearm then you eventually will. It's as simple as that.

Quite why yanks are allowed to legally possess assault rifles is beyond me.
In the UK firearms possession is very strict, yet we don't have many (if any recently) incidents where someone's illegally obtained a firearm and carried out a mass shooting. Why would the US be any different?

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Originally Posted by Sevens
But hey! Let's go ahead and outlaw guns and line the pockets of illegal arms dealers even more. They have to make a living, too, right? *eye roll*
Really? That's not the case in the UK....

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Originally Posted by Sevens
Blaming inanimate objects because someone used them to commit an atrocious act is ridiculous.
It's ridiculous? Have a read of this and look at the number of innocent people that have been murdered:

http://www.nycrimecommission.org/ini...-shootings.php

Why have we had 3 mass shootings in 2012 and 2011? Please please please explain this for me?

Why do we keep having these incidents? Is it because some Americans are mentally unhinged? It rarely happens in any other civilised countries?
December 15th, 2012  
hawky94
 
 
I was reading some truly disturbing comments on CNN - those hard-line members of the National Rifle Association are saying that if the janitors or teachers had been allowed to "conceal-carry" a firearm - they then might have been able to stop him.

I have issues with this, the first, is the potential for accidents to happen. Johnny janitor forgets to safety his weapon that morning, there is a ND and he shoots himself in the foot. The school goes into lockdown for hours while somebody tries to figure out what happened. Or, worse, someone else is hurt (or killed) because of the said negligent discharge.

Secondly, what if the said janitor/teacher one day snaps - suffering from job stress, problems at home, whatever. More people die. Or overreacts to a situation (be it a fight, whatever), and decides that rather than calming it and resolving the situation peacefully and without violence - like any other teacher would - he fires a shot off in the air. That scares the crap out of the kids surrounding the fight, the fighting pair or group - and what if that round went through the floor? Hitting and wounding a kid in the floor above?

Thirdly, Johnny janitor/teacher, with that weapon in their hands, who is an inexperienced shooter - suddenly becomes an expert fecking marksman? I think not. He/She would do what most of us - those who are untrained in firing firearms would do, in that situation, panic and not be able to use the weapon when the time came - that hesitation is all it would take. And either become a casualty, or a hostage.

I do not know what the answer is to the gun problem in the United States. But surely it has to begin with addressing the issue of gun control... and making drastic changes so that nothing such as yesterdays terrible events are less frequent. But, as Frogman said, if a person wants to do harm with a weapon, and wants to get their hands on one, he'll find a way.
December 15th, 2012  
Tankboy
 
 
You are not going to change,the mentality of Americans, on this issue.
They have guns, and we drink Tea.
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Firearms Possession discussion (in response to yet another US shooting)
December 15th, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
I found this a while ago, I think it is applicable.


The reality is that all this analysis is pointless as many have pointed out, the process is...
Day 1) Express grief, shock. bewilderment.
Day 2) Offer support.
Day 3) Ask what can be done to prevent this sort of thing happening again and vow to solve the problem.
Day 4) Bury the dead.
Day 5) Forget about it until the next time.

Nothing will change because the US is not really prepared to accept the solution so in a week or two we will be commenting the next killings.
December 15th, 2012  
George
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hawky94
I was reading some truly disturbing comments on CNN - those hard-line members of the National Rifle Association are saying that if the janitors or teachers had been allowed to "conceal-carry" a firearm - they then might have been able to stop him.

I have issues with this, the first, is the potential for accidents to happen. Johnny janitor forgets to safety his weapon that morning, there is a ND and he shoots himself in the foot. The school goes into lockdown for hours while somebody tries to figure out what happened. Or, worse, someone else is hurt (or killed) because of the said negligent discharge.

Secondly, what if the said janitor/teacher one day snaps - suffering from job stress, problems at home, whatever. More people die. Or overreacts to a situation (be it a fight, whatever), and decides that rather than calming it and resolving the situation peacefully and without violence - like any other teacher would - he fires a shot off in the air. That scares the crap out of the kids surrounding the fight, the fighting pair or group - and what if that round went through the floor? Hitting and wounding a kid in the floor above?

Thirdly, Johnny janitor/teacher, with that weapon in their hands, who is an inexperienced shooter - suddenly becomes an expert fecking marksman? I think not. He/She would do what most of us - those who are untrained in firing firearms would do, in that situation, panic and not be able to use the weapon when the time came - that hesitation is all it would take. And either become a casualty, or a hostage.

I do not know what the answer is to the gun problem in the United States. But surely it has to begin with addressing the issue of gun control... and making drastic changes so that nothing such as yesterdays terrible events are less frequent. But, as Frogman said, if a person wants to do harm with a weapon, and wants to get their hands on one, he'll find a way.
So they're better off trapped with an armed nut?? Seriously????? Always some nit picking what if that might happen. An armed administrator ended a gun situation in aPearl River (Miss or La.?) school before the Gun Free School Zone Act was passed. Obviously the GFSZ doesn't work.The Principal was killed when she tried to take him down with bare hands. My understanding is any Israeli school employee can carry & not much happens in those schools
Where the discussion of knife controll in China?????
December 15th, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
No they are better off without the armed nut in the first place.
There is no doubt that there will always be crazy bastards somewhere who will lose control and kill it is not a situation peculiar to the USA what is however is the frequency of these instances.

The NRA's answer is the equivalent of putting an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, it wont stop people people going off the cliff or even put a dent in the number of dead at the bottom, the answer you need to find is how to prevent people going off the cliff in the first place.
December 15th, 2012  
m551sheridan
 
 
remember this all you nay sayers

only a fool blames the tool
December 15th, 2012  
Capt Frogman
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by George
Where the discussion of knife controll in China?????
China doesn't have regular massacres like the US of A does. Its as simple as that.

I've posted a link that lists all of massacres yet I've had no response to it.

I've also had no response to my question as to why America has regular massacres unlike any other country.

Its as if you American's want to pretend it doesn't happen so often and bury your heads in the sand rather than admit a problem and do something about it.
December 15th, 2012  
Capt Frogman
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by m551sheridan
remember this all you nay sayers

only a fool blames the tool
You Americans really need to open your eyes up. You really do.
December 15th, 2012  
captiva303
 
 
Australia had something like 17 mass shooting Incidents after WW2 mostly from the 80s onward. We have had 0 since the gun ban in 1996... Just saying. I don't like the idea of the ban but they do work.
 


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