Firearms Possession discussion (in response to yet another US shooting)

I'm saying nothing, just make up your own mind as to whether there are too many firearms in the USA.

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As you will never get gun control in America what they should do is have a one cent tax on every bullet sold in America and the money raised from that should then be spent on Security for the all the schools. This way the people with guns would pay to keep the children safe.
 
Stevens is correct, it does not good to try to converse with you folks....... maybe you have bent a knee for to long and unable to hunt the *Kings* land to understand - I, like her will not comment further on this thread.

Ah yes, the typical yank response when you can't provide anything to support your arguements and want to avoid answering the questions put to you.

I guess you'll need to continue to live with the consequences of regular massacres then. I just wouldn't go expecting much sympathy from the rest of the world until you get your house in order (like the rest of the civilised world).
 
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As you will never get gun control in America what they should do is have a one cent tax on every bullet sold in America and the money raised from that should then be spent on Security for the all the schools. This way the people with guns would pay to keep the children safe.

If they did that, then they'd have to admit there's a problem. As if that's going to happen...
 
I know that was during the era known as the Clinton gun ban. They don't anymore thank god. :cheers: But as Brig has said, the majority of the crimes committed are by handguns. So my access to a semi-auto or even a full auto affects the crime rate by a small margin.

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*yawn* Why is it always foreigners who think they know best what America needs and should do on every topic, especially this one? -SMH-

Now this is genius. An American saying "foreigners who think they know best what America needs".
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This is the very same America (world police) who have spent decades telling other countries what to do and forcing them to do as America wants.

You couldn't make this sh*t up!
 
I think it's cos when we see the needless loss of life on a regular basis and we look at our own country and see that it doesn't happen here. We look at the only real difference . That being your country has an abundance of fire arms.


It all comes down to what you value most. A largely unessessary freedom that is abused all to often. It was ever always the few that ruin it for the many. So it will really come down to America as a society to decide whether the lives of the innocent is worth their right to bear arms. It's clear what other nations have decided we can tell them as outsiders what has worked for us to stop these kinds of events. But it is up to the US people to decide what it is they will do about and what is more important to them.

People will always abuse their freedoms. It's up to you to decide at what cost is it worth keeping them.
 
I have a question, perhaps it's a stupid one, but I'll ask it anyway.

Why are guns such an important thing in the United States? As Captiva said, "the right to bear arms" is obviously something Americans value highly. Why is this?

You're not under threat of invasion from anyone... you're not fighting a civil war anymore... I realise that most people own a gun to stop home invasions, etc. But come on - what's wrong with switching that M-16 or pistol for a Louisville slugger?

Far less people die from being hit with a baseball bat (unless of course you beat the crap out of them with it...)

I don't understand the feeling of a right and it seems like it's almost a need to own a gun... Feel free to tear me to shreds - just a question.
 
Yeah, you've got the issue under control :roll::

From September 1986 to September 1990:

At least 71 people (65 students and 6 school employees) had been killed with guns at school.
201 were severely wounded by gun fire.
242 individuals were held hostage at gunpoint.

1992–1993 (44 Homicides and 55 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1993–1994 (42 Homicides and 51 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1994–1995 (17 Homicides and 20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1995–1996 (29 Homicides and 35 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1996–1997 (23 Homicides and 25 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1997–1998 (35 Homicides and 40 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
1998–1999 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
1999–2000 (25 Homicides from school shootings in the U.S.)
2000–2001 (19 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2001–2002 (4 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2002–2003 (14 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2003–2004 (29 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2004–2005 (20 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2005–2006 (5 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2006–2007 (38 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2007–2008 (3 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)
2008–2009 (10 Deaths resulting from school shootings in the U.S.)

That doesn't include the 3 massacres each in 2011 and 2012.

I should be thankful that none of my relatives live in or are educated in the US.
Proof that the Gun Free School Zone Act is useless other than providing a pool of defenceless victims. Repeal it now.

With respect, don't lecture me on the difference between fully automatic and semi automatic firearms. I had been trained to use and was using military firearms before you were even conceived. I've served in the military for more years than you've been alive. I need no lecture from an 18 year old kid.
Maybe you know but the general population doesn't & they watch the news where they hear people talking about semi-auto assault rifle while seeing video of machine guns blazing away.

I wasn't calling any "simple semi-auto" rifle an "assault weapon". I don't know what weapons were used in this shooting.

I was making a general point about "proper" assault rifles. In the UK, you cannot under any circumstances own an automatic or semi-auto. In the US, it is possible to own an automatic or semi-auto. I struggle to see why anyone would require such a firearm without a damn good reason? (certain jobs excluded).

The UK has some of the toughest gun control laws in the world. If you want to own a gun, it is very difficult to do so. In short, it has been designed to put as many barriers in the way as possible and to assume the worst, rather than hope for the best.

In the United States, you can declare that it is your constitutional right to bear arms. But in the UK, you need to spend hours filling in paperwork and proving that you are not a danger to society.
Just a difference of attitude, guess you guys don't mind begging the govt for the opportunity to own a gun or to check out your personal property to go fire a few rounds @ the range. Doesn't fly here.

Well put,however. Nothing will change.
It is their right to bear arms!.
No President would dare touch that right.
Some are saying."if the teachers were armed" this could have been prevented.
The current dictator wanna-be will probably try. IF someone was armed it might have been stopped.

I'm saying nothing, just make up your own mind as to whether there are too many firearms in the USA.

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Ah yes, the typical yank response when you can't provide anything to support your arguements and want to avoid answering the questions put to you.

I guess you'll need to continue to live with the consequences of regular massacres then. I just wouldn't go expecting much sympathy from the rest of the world until you get your house in order (like the rest of the civilised world).
The highest crime areas in the US are the ones with the strongest gun controll.
 
Also, 270 PEOPLE PER DAY! :shock: - That's... 98550 in a year... Good Lord...

The teens and children - 8 per day, that's 2920 per year... :shock: That's appalling...
 
Just a difference of attitude, guess you guys don't mind begging the govt for the opportunity to own a gun or to check out your personal property to go fire a few rounds @ the range. Doesn't fly here.

Most of "you guys" don't feel the need to own one, or even fire one. No need to beg the government. They will simply tell us where to shove our application, you'd need a VERY good reason to even be allowed to apply for weapon ownership in the UK, and as far as I understand it - the rest of Europe isn't all that different.

As for your dictator wanna-be. I assume you mean President Obama? That man, in my opinion, is the breath of fresh air your country needed. After the catastrophe that was The Shrub. He's doing the country a service by pushing for free health care for all people. So, he's not getting rid of the debt, so what? That shouldn't be the highest on the agenda, that's the rich-man's agenda. Obama's all about the underdog, and therefore is focusing his attention on the social problems - gun control, people having to sell everything they own to pay for life-saving surgery? That's not "The American Dream", that's abhorrent, and as a people, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

The rich live in mansions while the sick and dying are turned away from hospitals (whose duty it is to provide care and save lives) because they can't pay the bill? Disgusting.
 
Proof that the Gun Free School Zone Act is useless other than providing a pool of defenceless victims. Repeal it now.

That's what happens when firearms are so readily available...

Here's a suggestion, perhaps severely restrict access to firearms.

Just a difference of attitude, guess you guys don't mind begging the govt for the opportunity to own a gun or to check out your personal property to go fire a few rounds @ the range. Doesn't fly here.

Yes, and probably explains why we rarely have massacres?

The highest crime areas in the US are the ones with the strongest gun controll.

So your control laws aren't strict enough then?
 
Most of "you guys" don't feel the need to own one, or even fire one. No need to beg the government. They will simply tell us where to shove our application, you'd need a VERY good reason to even be allowed to apply for weapon ownership in the UK, and as far as I understand it - the rest of Europe isn't all that different.

As for your dictator wanna-be. I assume you mean President Obama? That man, in my opinion, is the breath of fresh air your country needed. After the catastrophe that was The Shrub. He's doing the country a service by pushing for free health care for all people. So, he's not getting rid of the debt, so what? That shouldn't be the highest on the agenda, that's the rich-man's agenda. Obama's all about the underdog, and therefore is focusing his attention on the social problems - gun control, people having to sell everything they own to pay for life-saving surgery? That's not "The American Dream", that's abhorrent, and as a people, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

The rich live in mansions while the sick and dying are turned away from hospitals (whose duty it is to provide care and save lives) because they can't pay the bill? Disgusting.
Feel free to invite him to run your counrty after 2016, good riddance. No one is turned away from a hospital, they have to be treateed. ObamaCare isn't "free" health care, just another step on wrecking the system so the Socialist wankers can take controll of it. If Canada & the UK's system is so great why do so many with serious problems come here????? Can't see how national bankruptcy is benifitial.

That's what happens when firearms are so readily available...

Here's a suggestion, perhaps severely restrict access to firearms.

Yes, and probably explains why we rarely have massacres?

So your control laws aren't strict enough then?
More brilliant observations, not. Crime is higher in high gun controll areas & less in low gun controll areas, so you want to tighten controlls, brilliant again! The guns are there, creating "No gun" areas just creates unarmed victims for armed criminals who already are banned from having guns, banning everyone else won't change that. Repeal the Act & give them a chance
By the way the Constitution not only says the Right to keep arms shall not be infringed(Lots of people can't grasp what shall not be infringed means) but the acompanying Fed. Militia Act of 1790 requires all males(currently women also) of military age to own the equivelent of the long arm currently in use by the US Army. Law is still on the books & is updated since women Officers of the National Guard are listed as exempt from the requirement.
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Ah, that's your answer then.
Lets have more guns in the streets, that will frighten the gunmen away,from inflicting the next massacre.
I have said this before, it's the mentality of the people, that is the problem here.
The good people of Switzerland have lots of weapons,mostly as part of their National defence policy.
They don't have these situations, because they have been brought up,to respect weapons.
And not brought up on Rambo movies.
It is too late for America to change.
 
I have a question, perhaps it's a stupid one, but I'll ask it anyway.

Why are guns such an important thing in the United States? As Captiva said, "the right to bear arms" is obviously something Americans value highly. Why is this?

You're not under threat of invasion from anyone... you're not fighting a civil war anymore... I realise that most people own a gun to stop home invasions, etc. But come on - what's wrong with switching that M-16 or pistol for a Louisville slugger?

Far less people die from being hit with a baseball bat (unless of course you beat the crap out of them with it...)

I don't understand the feeling of a right and it seems like it's almost a need to own a gun... Feel free to tear me to shreds - just a question.

Think of guns as a religion and the you will understand how irrational decisions seem like a great solutions.

You have the NRA as the church leadership, you have the 2nd Amendment as your "holy" document and you have the gun as the cross.

Do that and you will be able to answer all the questions posed in this thread.
 
Feel free to invite him to run your counrty after 2016, good riddance. No one is turned away from a hospital, they have to be treateed. ObamaCare isn't "free" health care, just another step on wrecking the system so the Socialist wankers can take controll of it. If Canada & the UK's system is so great why do so many with serious problems come here????? Can't see how national bankruptcy is benifitial.

Some (a very very small number) UK patients go to the US for specialist treatment. It has nothing to do with how we fund our health care.

You're right, no one in the US is turned away from a hospital. They just leave hospital with a massive bill which requires them to sell their house in order to pay it.

More brilliant observations, not. Crime is higher in high gun controll areas & less in low gun controll areas, so you want to tighten controlls, brilliant again! The guns are there, creating "No gun" areas just creates unarmed victims for armed criminals who already are banned from having guns, banning everyone else won't change that. Repeal the Act & give them a chance
By the way the Constitution not only says the Right to keep arms shall not be infringed(Lots of people can't grasp what shall not be infringed means) but the acompanying Fed. Militia Act of 1790 requires all males(currently women also) of military age to own the equivelent of the long arm currently in use by the US Army. Law is still on the books & is updated since women Officers of the National Guard are listed as exempt from the requirement.

The whole UK has very strict gun laws but we don't have record levels of gun crime.

Wasn't it amended by the Militia Act of 1903 (Dick Act). This act created the national guard, and clarified the difference between the organized and unorganized militia. The establishment of the National Guard, a voluntary association to which the government supplied the arms, rendered the Militia Act obsolete, but it appears never to have been challenged in over 110 years.


You're seriously comparing the US with Israel? Prat.
 
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I have another question - in the United States, just how afraid are you of your fellow citizens that you feel the need to own a weapon? I mean really, they're your fellow citizens...
 
I have another question - in the United States, just how afraid are you of your fellow citizens that you feel the need to own a weapon? I mean really, they're your fellow citizens...
Who do you think commits the murders? foriegners?
 
I have another question - in the United States, just how afraid are you of your fellow citizens that you feel the need to own a weapon? I mean really, they're your fellow citizens...

You may have some of the answer there, it's the "you've got one, I must have one" syndrome.
 
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