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Topic: Soviet WW2 deaths
Yes the military deaths for the USSR were exceptionally high, including POW's ~ 11 million Soviet military personal died.
However at least 16 million, perhaps as high as 20 million civilians died, the majority were shot, burned, died by engineered starvation, died as forced labors, etc. A few million died as a result of bombing and shelling, i.e. 40 thousand died when Stalingrad was bombed. Often Stalin didn't allow citizen of the cities to evacuate concerned that the refugees would block the through fairs and cause panic. The Nazi's considered the Soviet peoples to be sub-human Slavs and treated the Soviet peoples deplorably. Himmler stated that if 5000 Russian women died digging a tank trap that saved the life of a single German soldier they had served their purpose. Manstein is quoted to have said any food stocks allow to the locals that were not in service to the Wehrmacht are wasted. For a long time the magnitude of the Soviet losses was understated so as not to lose face. |
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Topic: Fiercest Battle in History
War of the roses and the Battle of Towton in 1461.
In one days battle in terrible weather, 28,000 died. Add the wounded who died over the next few days and the figure could be significantly higher. The bloodiest and fiercest battle ever in England http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Towton |
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However you are right the battles in and around the Caen area saw the most concentrated armor warfare on the western front. British and Canadian losses were atrocious. I believe they lost well over a thousand AFV's alone before it was over, "including the battles north of Caen". Britain basically took on most of the Germans heavy armor that was in France at that time and in doing so allowed the Americans to breakthrough to the east. This caught the Germans in the Falaise Pocket . Now it became the Germans turn to lose thousands of AFV's and vehicles. |
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Very true but I reckon 28,000 soldiers dying by sword, axe, lance and many different types of blunt instrument would count among one of the fiercest battles ever. Bear in mind that the actual fighting took place over a maximum ten hour period and was more likely to be 5-8 hours of battle. That's 3,500 killed an hour in hand to hand combat, but quite a few were killed by arrows because one side used the strong wind to there advantage. |
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