contrary to popular belief, D-Day waasnt really a fierce battle. yes, it had its moments, especially on Omaha beach, but the rest (from all accounts i have seen) were walkovers. Utah, barely a shot fired according to accounts from the people who were there. same story for most of the others.

Originally Posted by ghost457

yeah, as Rabs said, none of these are the fiercest, but theyr up there, but Guadalcanal, Saipan, Tinian, Okinawa, Iwo Jima, any of those. the battle of the bulge, not the fiercest, but it should be mentioned.

I agree with the WWII Pacific Theater battles you listed. Iwo Jima and Okinawa are the top two in my opinion. Okinawa was a fierce land, air, and sea battle, which would probably put it at number one for me. Iwo Jima was probably the most intense ground fighting of the war.

Ok, just one in the WWII Pacific Theater:
TARAWA...

The Battle of the Somme, Verdun, Paschendale, all these ran into millions of lives lost.

Stalingrad 100% not any D-day or Iwo Jima.

the one where the husband wants the remote so he can change channel, but his wife won't give if to him!

Here are the top ten of the US Civil War. I think that the artillery had a lot to do with high casualty rates. # 5 was the bloodiest single day battle of Antietam.

http://americanhistory.about.com/gi/...om/Battles.htm

#1
Battle of Gettysburg
Date: July 1-3, 1863

Location: Pennsylvania
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: George G. Meade
Confederate Forces Engaged: 75,000
Union Forces Engaged: 82,289
Winner: Union
Casualties: 51,112 (23,049 Union and 28,063 Confederate)


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#2
Battle of Chickamauga
Date: September 19-20, 1863

Location: Georgia
Confederate Commander: Braxton Bragg
Union Commander: William Rosecrans
Confederate Forces Engaged: 66,326
Union Forces Engaged: 58,222
Winner: Confederacy
Casualties: 34,624 (16,170 Union and 18,454 Confederate)


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#3
Battle of Chancellorsville
Date: May 1-4, 1863

Location: Virginia
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: Joseph Hooker
Confederate Forces Engaged: 60,892
Union Forces Engaged: 133,868
Winner: Confederacy
Casualties: 30,099 (17,278 Union and 12,821 Confederate)


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#4
Battle of Spotsylvania
Date: May 8-19, 1864

Location: Virginia
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: Ulysses S. Grant
Confederate Forces Engaged: 50,000
Union Forces Engaged: 83,000
Winner: Confederacy
Casualties: 27,399 (18,399 Union and 9)000 Confederate)


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#5
Battle of Antietam
Date: September 17, 1862

Location: Maryland
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: George B. McClellan
Confederate Forces Engaged: 51,844
Union Forces Engaged: 75,316
Winner: Union
Casualties: 26,134 (12,410 Union and 13,724 Confederate)


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#6
Battle of The Wilderness
Date: May 5-7, 1864

Location: Virginia
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: Ulysses S. Grant
Confederate Forces Engaged: 61,025
Union Forces Engaged: 101,895
Winner: Inconclusive
Casualties: 25,416 (17,666 Union and 7,750 Confederate)


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#7
Battle of Second Manassas
Date: August 29-30, 1862

Location: Virginia
Confederate Commander: Robert E. Lee
Union Commander: John Pope
Confederate Forces Engaged: 48,527
Union Forces Engaged: 75,696
Winner: Confederacy
Casualties: 25,251 (16,054 Union and 9,197 Confederate)


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#8
Battle of Stone's River
Date: December 31, 1862

Location: Tennessee
Confederate Commander: Braxton Bragg
Union Commander: William S. Rosecrans
Confederate Forces Engaged: 37,739
Union Forces Engaged: 41,400
Winner: Union
Casualties: 24,645 (12,906 Union and 11,739 Confederate)


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#9
Battle of Shiloh
Date: April 6-7, 1862

Location: Tennessee
Confederate Commander: Albert Sidney Johnston/ P. G. T. Beauregard
Union Commander: Ulysses S. Grant
Confederate Forces Engaged: 40,335
Union Forces Engaged: 62,682
Winner: Union
Casualties: 23,741 (13,047 Union and 10,694 Confederate)


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#10
Battle of Fort Donelson
Date: February 13-16, 1862

Location: Tennessee
Confederate Commander: John B. Floyd/Simon B. Buckner
Union Commander: Ulysses S. Grant
Confederate Forces Engaged: 21,000
Union Forces Engaged: 27,000
Winner: Union
Casualties: 19,455 (2,832 Union and 16,623 Confederate)


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Originally Posted by Locke

the one where the husband wants the remote so he can change channel, but his wife won't give if to him!

Pfft buy a second TV jeez, and then to keep in the good books use the smaller one yourself.

Anyway on to the topic, we seem to be defining "fiercest" as the battle with the highest casualties, I am sure there are a lot of battles especially in more ancient times that had lower casualty rates but much higher levels of ferocity for example Canae, Trasimeno or maybe Varus's campaign into the Teutoburg forest.

how do you measure "fiercest"?
is it the amount of sweat produced over the course of the battle? the quantity of bloody spilled? the number of bullets fired? the amount of destruction (to property,landscape/cover) or is it the number of deaths?

battles on the earstern front ww2 prob battle for berlin