Female soldier demoted after mud wrestling party - Page 2




 
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March 1st, 2005  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
If you ask me, she should have gotten PROMOTED
I am sure that is your "manhood" speaking and not your military mind

If that event had happened "off duty," things may have been a bit different. I do not think that is something that should be going on in Iraq.

On a nother note, there must be lines drawn when men and women work together. This is not college people, this is the military. As a person who leads that female, it must be hard to give her orders after seeing her "stuff".
March 1st, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doody
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
If you ask me, she should have gotten PROMOTED
I am sure that is your "manhood" speaking and not your military mind

If that event had happened "off duty," things may have been a bit different. I do not think that is something that should be going on in Iraq.

On a nother note, there must be lines drawn when men and women work together. This is not college people, this is the military. As a person who leads that female, it must be hard to give her orders after seeing her "stuff".
It's evident you are not italian, Doody
you are right in every respect, though.
March 1st, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doody
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
If you ask me, she should have gotten PROMOTED
I am sure that is your "manhood" speaking and not your military mind

If that event had happened "off duty," things may have been a bit different. I do not think that is something that should be going on in Iraq.

On a nother note, there must be lines drawn when men and women work together. This is not college people, this is the military. As a person who leads that female, it must be hard to give her orders after seeing her "stuff".

So lets continue this then. If we want to get puritanical about this why is a Spec 4 taking the hit for the entire party? There were NCO's involved and had knowledge of and were partcipating in the activity.To include allowing their rooms to be used for sex.
It seems to me and I have a vauge memory of being instructed that you lead by example. Then if an example is to be made lets make it someone who had the ability to actually stop the activity or control it.....an NCO. As it stands now a Speedy 4 is being used for a scape goat because she flashed her chi chi's.
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March 1st, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
Guys I was joking around.
But I heard that all the military clubs (O Clubs and NCO Clubs) could get pretty wild. But now with the extensive service of female troops the standards have been made more PC.
Now imagine all the stuff I heard about O and NCO clubs PLUS women soldiers in them. Yes, I could see this sort of thing happening.
March 2nd, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
If you ask me, she should have gotten PROMOTED
nice one
March 3rd, 2005  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
So lets continue this then. If we want to get puritanical about this why is a Spec 4 taking the hit for the entire party? There were NCO's involved and had knowledge of and were partcipating in the activity.To include allowing their rooms to be used for sex.
It seems to me and I have a vauge memory of being instructed that you lead by example. Then if an example is to be made lets make it someone who had the ability to actually stop the activity or control it.....an NCO. As it stands now a Speedy 4 is being used for a scape goat because she flashed her chi chi's.
I agree with you 100% on this one. If there was leadership at this party/mud wrestling event, more heads should roll. The last time I checked, leaders are responsible for their soldiers...Especially if the leaders are present. Is it me or have leaders been getting off the hook when it comes to these types of issues? At Abu Ghraib, there were several officers and high ranking NCO's who got administratively reprimanded while the lower ranking soldiers are being put on trial.
March 3rd, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
No your not wrong. It also seems to me that every time things have gone bad, a bevvy of PFC's, Spec 4'S and the odd NCO or SNCO have been offered up as sacrifice. Abu Ghraib being the prime example. I have no doubt in my mind that the Command staff knew what was happening , but where are they?

It seems that enlisted especially junior enlisted have become shields in some units for the Command.
March 28th, 2005  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
The Army has "finished" its investigation. Here be the details

Mud-wrestling Army investigation ends

MIAMI (AP) Ten members of an Army military police unit should be disciplined for staging a mud-wrestling match at a U.S. military prison in Iraq, an investigation concluded. No detainees saw the episode last October at Camp Bucca, one of the largest U.S.-controlled detention centers in Iraq, officials said.

The investigation involved reservists from the Tallahassee-based 160th Military Police Battalion, spokesman Steve Stromvall said Friday from Army Reserves headquarters in Atlanta.

It is up to the Army Reserves commander, Lt. Gen. James Helmly, to decide how to discipline the three female guards who wrestled, six sergeants who encouraged them, and a soldier who let one of the women change in his quarters, Stromvall said.

He said the decision on punishment had not yet been made, but options included reprimand, reducing the soldiers' ranks, discharging them or ordering a court-martial.

The New York Daily News published photos of the incident, including images of women wrestling in bras and panties in front of a crowd of male soldiers.

A fourth female soldier who was also found to have engaged in the mud wrestling was from a different unit and her rank was reduced as punishment, Stromvall said.

CNN
March 28th, 2005  
USAFAUX2004
 
 
And that kids is why people should go to college (to get the wild side worn out)