Family Research




 
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April 19th, 2012  
Trooper1854
 
 

Topic: Family Research


For nearly fifteen years we have been researching our family history.
We recently found a cousin of my wife's grandfather.
His name was William Joseph Jones.
He was in the North Staffordshire Regiment in WWI and was killed in action sometime in October 1918.
From regimental diaries, we know he was fighting around the St Quentin Canal in October 1918.
We know that he must be somwhere in this photograph:



When we visited the Staffordshire Regiment museum, they have a wall sized version of this picture and we spent ages staring at it knowing Joseph is there looking back at us.

Joseph has no known grave and is commemorated on the memorial at the Vis En Artois cemetry in France.





We visited Vis En Artois recently and found his name on the memorial, he is the 7th down:






From the research we have done, it appears that the two cousins may not have known about each other, Sharon's grandfather was in the Royal Engineers and served in various places along the Western Front, mainly in Flanders, but from the regimental histories, it appears that at times they may have been very near each other.
April 19th, 2012  
LeEnfield
 
 
I have been working on my family tree for a number of years and have turned up an uncle of my Grandmother who won a VC in WW1 while in the Middlesex Reg, and I also had three uncles from the same family KIA with the Middlesex Regiment. Also it works out I am related to the Duke of Marlborough, William Harley of Harley Davidson fame and a William Brenton who once owned New York & Rhode Island
April 19th, 2012  
Trooper1854
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
I have been working on my family tree for a number of years and have turned up an uncle of my Grandmother who won a VC in WW1 while in the Middlesex Reg, and I also had three uncles from the same family KIA with the Middlesex Regiment. Also it works out I am related to the Duke of Marlborough, William Harley of Harley Davidson fame and a William Brenton who once owned New York & Rhode Island
It never ceases to amaze me what doing this research can turn up.
Before my wife started to investigate her family's past there were so many "facts" about her family's past that have now been found to be completely false.
It has really snow balled, we have so many different directions to follow, that its hard keeping track of the various branches to her family.
My side is proving difficult as having family spread all over Europe and the U.S.A. its not proving as easy to get official documents as it is in the U.K.
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April 19th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
I'm glad with this topic. I'm working on my family tree too.

For years I'm looking for a regiment. A first cousin 6x removed (according to Family Tree Maker) was a reformed (translated with Google) soldier of the 5th Regiment (1796?). Belgium was annexed by France in 1795. The regiment could be Hussars or cavalry. The man lived in Lier (near Antwerp). Anyone knows a French (Dutch?) 5th regiment?

I have a namesake (almost all namesakes were born in Lier) who got the medal of Saint Hélèna on 27 april 1858. The Saint Helena medal, created in 1857 by Napoleon III, was awarded to the 405,000 soldiers still living in 1857, who had fought with Napoleon I during the 1792-1815 wars.
April 19th, 2012  
LeEnfield
 
 
I had a cousin that died on this ship attacking a Japanese convoy with training shells.
The skipper got the VC for his actions after the war


April 20th, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
I'm glad with this topic. I'm working on my family tree too.

For years I'm looking for a regiment. A first cousin 6x removed (according to Family Tree Maker) was a reformed (translated with Google) soldier of the 5th Regiment (1796?). Belgium was annexed by France in 1795. The regiment could be Hussars or cavalry. The man lived in Lier (near Antwerp). Anyone knows a French (Dutch?) 5th regiment?

I have a namesake (almost all namesakes were born in Lier) who got the medal of Saint Hélèna on 27 april 1858. The Saint Helena medal, created in 1857 by Napoleon III, was awarded to the 405,000 soldiers still living in 1857, who had fought with Napoleon I during the 1792-1815 wars.
There was a 5th Regiment of Belgian-Dutch Dragoons that fought at Waterloo in 1815, there are several reports of them talking to former colleagues in the French Chasseurs â Cheval at Quatre Bras, and then being shot at by British troops whilst retiring because their uniforms looked too much like the enemy.

So it is possible you are looking for a French Chasseur regiment.
April 20th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MontyB
There was a 5th Regiment of Belgian-Dutch Dragoons that fought at Waterloo in 1815, there are several reports of them talking to former colleagues in the French Chasseurs â Cheval at Quatre Bras, and then being shot at by British troops whilst retiring because their uniforms looked too much like the enemy.

So it is possible you are looking for a French Chasseur regiment.
Thanks. In his book "The letters of Private Wheeler 1809-1828" he mentionend a retreating Belgian cavalry unit during the battle at Waterloo. Maybe it was that 5th regiment.
April 21st, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by VDKMS
Thanks. In his book "The letters of Private Wheeler 1809-1828" he mentionend a retreating Belgian cavalry unit during the battle at Waterloo. Maybe it was that 5th regiment.
Alternatively Napoleon had several Hussar regiments including a 5th Regiment...

Maybe there is a name or location in there that can help.

5th Regiment of Hussars


Created on the 14th September 1783 with the Cavalry of the Legion de Lauzun and numbered as the 6th Regiment de Hussars in 1791. The regiment was re-numbered as the 5th Regiment de Hussars by Decree of 4th June 1793.
Colonels and Chefs de Brigade
1793 Ruin (François) - Chef de Brigade 1794 Scholtenius (Engleburt) - Chef de Brigade
1794 Schwartz (François-Xavier-Nicolas) - Chef de Brigade
1806 Dery (Pierre-Cesar) - Colonel
1809 Meuziau (Charles-Claude) - Colonel
1813 Fournier (Alphonse) - Colonel
1814 Liegeard (Jean-Baptiste) - Colonel
Of the above list, two of these men attained the rank of General de Brigade and above.
Schwartz (François-Xavier-Nicolas)
Born: 8th January 1762 Chef de Brigade 5th Hussars: 3rd September 1799
General de Brigade: 30th December 1806
Officer of the Legion d'Honneur: 15th June 1804
Commander of the Legion d'Honneur: 25th December 1805
Baron of the Empire: 9th March 1808
Died: 9th October 1826
Meuziau (Charles-Claude)
Born: 18th February 1777 Colonel 5th Hussars: 21st September 1809
General de Brigade: 4th December 1813
Died: 16 September 1834
Colonels killed and wounded while in command of the 5th Regiment de Hussars.
Colonel Dery: wounded 4th February 1807 Colonel Dery: wounded 10th June 1807
Colonel Meuziau: wounded 7th September 1812
Colonel Meuziau: wounded 18th October 1812
Officers killed and wounded while serving with the 5th Regiment de Hussars from 1805-1815
Officers Killed: Nine Officers died of wounds: Seven
Officers wounded: Ninety Six
Regimental War Record (Battles and Combats)
1792: Valmy and Jemmapes.(As 6th Regiment of Hussars) 1793: Wattignies
1794: Blockade of Nimegue
1795: Texel
1797: Neuwied
1799: Ostrach and Stokach
1800: Mosskirch, Biberach, Kirchberg and Hohenlinden
1805: Austerlitz
1806: Crewitz, Stettin, and Golymin
1807: Waltersdorf, Eylau, Heilsberg and Konigsberg
1809: Eckmuhl and Wagram
1812: Borodino, Winkono, and Berezina
1813: Bautzen, Leipzig, and Hanau
1814: Arcis-sur-Aube
1815: Ligny, Waterloo, and Versailles
Battle Honours
Jemmapes 1792, Jena 1806, Eckmuhl 1809, La Moskowa 1812, and Hanau 1813.

http://www.napoleon-series.org/milit...ssars.html#5th
April 26th, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
I had a cousin that died on this ship attacking a Japanese convoy with training shells.
The skipper got the VC for his actions after the war


Well perhaps it is your cousin that should have got the VC.

I finally have one of the Wifes Grandfather and oddly enough he didn't win the VC either.



April 26th, 2012  
LeEnfield
 
 
My grandmothers Uncle Robert Ryder who one the VC in 1917. Ann attack had gone in and all the officers and NCO had been killed or wounded and the attack had faltered. He picked up a Lewis gun and carried on by him self and after taking several German trenches the rest of the men then followed


 


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