FACT CHECK: Obama's words on home aid ring hollow

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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that the government could rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.
But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.
Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.
The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress - and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.
A look at some of his assertions:

OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values."
THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so.
Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.
"I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed."
Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.
"I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.
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OBAMA: "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."
THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany's Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.
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OBAMA: "We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before."
THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades.
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OBAMA: "We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade."
THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don't mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.
Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won't be 10 years from now.
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OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day."
THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.
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OBAMA: "In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas."
THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That's all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama's proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress.
Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past.
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OBAMA: "Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation's supply of renewable energy in the next three years."
THE FACTS: While the president's stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone.
In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent.
If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.
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OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs."
THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.
The president's own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error." Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus.
 
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As I've said countless times before, not a whole lot can be worse that the situation we just left... The man hasn't been in office 6 months, and we're already complaining about what he's doing... Let's give him a fair four years (or 8 to be truly fair) and THEN start analyzing his presidency.
 
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I know a guy that tried to get his mortage adjusted under the plan. He couldn't because he made all his payments on time. But guess it sucks to be responsible. Welcome to change.
 
Isn't that the point though? To try and get those who are in need of help taken care of, rather than those who don't absolutely need the help/


It's like free lunches in school... EVERYONE would like to have them, but only certain people truly need them.
 
Who said he didn't need it? Oh thats right you. He's self employed, his business has taken a downturn due to the economy. He's a reservist who bit the bullet and took financial losses serving his Country once in Astan and twice in Iraq.

He and his family have sucked it up and tightened their belts. They are not living above their means and haven't since I've known them. His house is worth roughly 65,000.00. He's not one of the idiots who bought a 175,000.00 house on a 30,000.00 salary and is driving brand new caddies he drives a 06 minivan a 04 work truck. He has done his best to responsible as to how he budgets and spends his money. He's made his payments on time he's gone without and taken second jobs to do it.

But now because he's been responsible and stood on his own two feet, he's ineligable. While oxygen thieves who put themselves in the position they are in by living above their means are reaping the benefits of their irresponsibilty. Welcome to Change.
 
I've never known a government or political party that "Got it right" for everyone.

Yep,.. there's been a change in course, so if you are now one of those who is not benefiting from the current situation, you've now got the chance to develop your character a little, and see what "the other side" have been putting up with for the past 8 years.

Obama will certainly make mistakes,... but he's got a hard act to follow if he wants to compete with GW in the "stuffup stakes".
 
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Why is this here? We're coming off the biggest socialist in American history. What is this contributing to this conversation?

Come back to me when you actually have something other than a pretty picture made by someone else.
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I love how so many republicans are moaning about the "Tax and spend" Democrats. I still see it as a step up from the "no tax but still spend" Republicans. Clinton had balanced the budget and almost eliminated the Reagan and Bush induced deficit. Bush II brought it back... and more.

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03USMC said:
I know a guy that tried to get his mortgage adjusted under the plan. He couldn't because he made all his payments on time. But guess it sucks to be responsible. Welcome to change.
And I know a guy who lost his job because his boss couldn't make payments on time, and defaulted during the last administration. There are two sides to every story.
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Another thing I've noticed is that Republicans, who were all about "Reaching Across the Aisle" a few months ago aren't so big on it anymore.

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OBAMA: "Over the next two years, this plan will save or create 3.5 million jobs."
THE FACTS: This is a recurrent Obama formulation. But job creation projections are uncertain even in stable times, and some of the economists relied on by Obama in making his forecast acknowledge a great deal of uncertainty in their numbers.
The president's own economists, in a report prepared last month, stated, "It should be understood that all of the estimates presented in this memo are subject to significant margins of error." Beyond that, it's unlikely the nation will ever know how many jobs are saved as a result of the stimulus. While it's clear when jobs are abolished, there's no economic gauge that tracks job preservation. The estimates are based on economic assumptions of how many jobs would be lost without the stimulus.
And it's also really impossible to tell whether or not a war will be a quick one. But that didn't stop us in 2003, now did it?
OBAMA: "Thanks to our recovery plan, we will double this nation's supply of renewable energy in the next three years."
THE FACTS: While the president's stimulus package includes billions in aid for renewable energy and conservation, his goal is unlikely to be achieved through the recovery plan alone.
In 2007, the U.S. produced 8.4 percent of its electricity from renewable sources, including hydroelectric dams, solar panels and windmills. Under the status quo, the Energy Department says, it will take more than two decades to boost that figure to 12.5 percent.
If Obama is to achieve his much more ambitious goal, Congress would need to mandate it. That is the thrust of an energy bill that is expected to be introduced in coming weeks.
Well, changing something done for the last 100 years isn't easy. At least he actually is trying.
OBAMA: "In this budget, we will end education programs that don't work and end direct payments to large agribusinesses that don't need them. We'll eliminate the no-bid contracts that have wasted billions in Iraq, and reform our defense budget so that we're not paying for Cold War-era weapons systems we don't use. We will root out the waste, fraud and abuse in our Medicare program that doesn't make our seniors any healthier, and we will restore a sense of fairness and balance to our tax code by finally ending the tax breaks for corporations that ship our jobs overseas."
THE FACTS: First, his budget does not accomplish any of that. It only proposes those steps. That's all a president can do, because control over spending rests with Congress. Obama's proposals here are a wish list and some items, including corporate tax increases and cuts in agricultural aid, will be a tough sale in Congress.
Second, waste, fraud and abuse are routinely targeted by presidents who later find that the savings realized seldom amount to significant sums. Programs that a president might consider wasteful have staunch defenders in Congress who have fought off similar efforts in the past.
His words are not, "I will" but "WE will."

And getting rid of no-bid contracts and ineffective education programs will save a lot of money.
OBAMA: "Regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market. People bought homes they knew they couldn't afford from banks and lenders who pushed those bad loans anyway. And all the while, critical debates and difficult decisions were put off for some other time on some other day."
THE FACTS: This may be so, but it isn't only Republicans who pushed for deregulation of the financial industries. The Clinton administration championed an easing of banking regulations, including legislation that ended the barrier between regular banks and Wall Street banks. That led to a deregulation that kept regular banks under tight federal regulation but extended lax regulation of Wall Street banks. Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, later an economic adviser to candidate Obama, was in the forefront in pushing for this deregulation.
Can I see the "facts" facts, or do I have to rely on this blurb? And it says AP, but who WROTE it? This is clearly not a news story.
OBAMA: "We have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade."
THE FACTS: Although 10-year projections are common in government, they don't mean much. And at times, they are a way for a president to pass on the most painful steps to his successor, by putting off big tax increases or spending cuts until someone else is in the White House.
Obama only has a real say on spending during the four years of his term. He may not be president after that and he certainly won't be 10 years from now.
Kennedy planned to put a man on the moon by 1970. He would not have been president then, even had he not been shot. But guess what? America did put a man on the moon.
OBAMA: "We have known for decades that our survival depends on finding new sources of energy. Yet we import more oil today than ever before."
THE FACTS: Oil imports peaked in 2005 at just over 5 billion barrels, and have been declining slightly since. The figure in 2007 was 4.9 billion barrels, or about 58 percent of total consumption. The nation is on pace this year to import 4.7 billion barrels, and government projections are for imports to hold steady or decrease a bit over the next two decades
He's not talking total, he's talking percentage! And at the rate of our decrease currently, we should be off foreign oil by about... let's see... about 2060.
OBAMA: "And I believe the nation that invented the automobile cannot walk away from it."
THE FACTS: Depends what your definition of automobiles, is. According to the Library of Congress, the inventor of the first true automobile was probably Germany's Karl Benz, who created the first auto powered by an internal combustion gasoline engine, in 1885 or 1886. In the U.S., Charles Duryea tested what library researchers called the first successful gas-powered car in 1893. Nobody disputes that Henry Ford created the first assembly line that made cars affordable.
Yes, Langley built a flying machine 10 full years before the Wright Brothers, but guess which one worked better?
OBAMA: "We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages. It's a plan that won't help speculators or that neighbor down the street who bought a house he could never hope to afford, but it will help millions of Americans who are struggling with declining home values."
THE FACTS: If the administration has come up with a way to ensure money only goes to those who got in honest trouble, it hasn't said so.
Defending the program Tuesday at a Senate hearing, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said it's important to save those who made bad calls, for the greater good. He likened it to calling the fire department to put out a blaze caused by someone smoking in bed.
"I think the smart way to deal with a situation like that is to put out the fire, save him from his own consequences of his own action but then, going forward, enact penalties and set tougher rules about smoking in bed."
Similarly, the head of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. suggested this month it's not likely aid will be denied to all homeowners who overstated their income or assets to get a mortgage they couldn't afford.
"I think it's just simply impractical to try to do a forensic analysis of each and every one of these delinquent loans," Sheila Bair told National Public Radio.
Okay... your point? What can you take from that sentence? He's not helping the stupid, but those hurt by the stupid. That's what I'm getting.
WASHINGTON (AP) - President Barack Obama knows Americans are unhappy that the government could rescue people who bought mansions beyond their means.
But his assurance Tuesday night that only the deserving will get help rang hollow.
Even officials in his administration, many supporters of the plan in Congress and the Federal Reserve chairman expect some of that money will go to people who used lousy judgment.
The president skipped over several complex economic circumstances in his speech to Congress - and may have started an international debate among trivia lovers and auto buffs over what country invented the car.
Other than the guy who wrote this? Name some.
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Obama is trying to unify our nation and get us to work together to fix it, and look at this. More of your so-called "Liberal Media" At work.
 
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Okay... your point? What can you take from that sentence? He's not helping the stupid, but those hurt by the stupid. That's what I'm getting.


If you bought a 175,000.00 house on a salary that wouldn't support and signed a non fixed rate mortage agreement........then yer stupid. Is the financial institution stupid? Yes. So it's Stupid all the way around. And as Ron White is apt to say "You can't fix stupid."

So now apparently you can get aid for being Stupid (all the way around) yet responsibilty is being marginalized. So is this the death of responsibilty? Awwww never mind I know the party line.
 
If you bought a 175,000.00 house on a salary that wouldn't support and signed a non fixed rate mortgage agreement........then yer stupid. Is the financial institution stupid? Yes. So it's Stupid all the way around. And as Ron White is apt to say "You can't fix stupid."

So now apparently you can get aid for being Stupid (all the way around) yet responsibility is being marginalized. So is this the death of responsibility? Awwww never mind I know the party line.
Never mind the party line.

Had the banks not been deregulated they would have never accepted such loans. Regardless of who deregulated them, let's move forward from this (hopefully we've learned our mistake) and give these people a chance again, because if we don't they'll drag us down with them by killing our property value, crashing the businesses they started, etc.
 
Who said he didn't need it? Oh thats right you. He's self employed, his business has taken a downturn due to the economy. He's a reservist who bit the bullet and took financial losses serving his Country once in Astan and twice in Iraq.
Shouldn't he get help for his actual BUSINESS? And I thank him for his service. I thought SOME of the money earned in Iraq and Astan was tax free? Wouldn't that help out a little bit?
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He and his family have sucked it up and tightened their belts. They are not living above their means and haven't since I've known them. His house is worth roughly 65,000.00. He's not one of the idiots who bought a 175,000.00 house on a 30,000.00 salary and is driving brand new caddies he drives a 06 minivan a 04 work truck. He has done his best to responsible as to how he budgets and spends his money. He's made his payments on time he's gone without and taken second jobs to do it.

But now because he's been responsible and stood on his own two feet, he's ineligable. While oxygen thieves who put themselves in the position they are in by living above their means are reaping the benefits of their irresponsibilty. Welcome to Change.
I respect him for his fiscal responsibility, but the fact remains that if you AREN'T bankrupt from this downturn in the economy, you're doing better than others. If you don't NEED the help (as in shop is closing, house is due for foreclosure) then you won't get it... Granted, not EVERYONE genuinely needs the help, but it's better than no one getting help. No government program will help everyone. It would take WAY too much time to investigate the individual cases of everyone applying for the aid.
 
Not even close to being a socialist....He has been in office for a month and dropped a TRILLION tax payer dollars.... Are you kidding??????

If that isn't wealth redistribution I'm really not sure what is....

At that rate we will be FUBAR for decades....

As far as deregulation of banks thus causing them to provide bad loans was it not the government that insisted and enacted laws forcing these banks to lend to people that they normally would not have???
 
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Not even close to being a socialist....He has been in office for a month and dropped a TRILLION tax payer dollars.... Are you kidding??????
Don't even get me STARTED on the spending Bush went through! If anything, Bush was more of a Socialist than Obama... The only reason Obama (and Congress, mind you) passed that spending was to START to get us out of the hell hole Bush put us in!
 
Don't even get me STARTED on the spending Bush went through! If anything, Bush was more of a Socialist than Obama... The only reason Obama (and Congress, mind you) passed that spending was to START to get us out of the hell hole Bush put us in!

Right so to get out of debt let's spend more money...When I say a TRILLION dollars that's just in bailout money, mind you it was only one month....

I guess then a good theory would be when you max out your credit card just get another....Is that not what got us in this mess in the first place???
 
Donkey did you fail economics or something? If there is no money to be spent, nothing will be bought; if nothing is bought, stores will close, if stores close, no one will be able to buy anything they NEED; and if no one can buy anything they need, they will start to take it. Chaos and anarchy ensues. Basic principles. And common sense really.
 
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