F35 vs J-20 vs Sukhoi PAK-FA

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F35
F35A_Prototyp_AA1_2.jpg


General characteristics

Performance

Armament


Avionics


J-20
J-20-1st-flight.jpg


General characteristics

Performance
Armament


  • Guns: None on prototype.
    Expected to have internal and external hardpoints for missiles, bombs and fuel tanks.
 
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PAK FA
sukhoi-pak-fa-t-50.jpg


General characteristics

  • Crew: 1
  • Length: 19.8 m (65.9 ft)
  • Wingspan: 14 m (46.6 ft)
  • Height: 6.05 m (19.8 ft)
  • Wing area: 78.8 m2 (848.1 ft2)
  • Empty weight: 18,500 kg (40,785 lb)
  • Loaded weight: 26,000 kg (57,320 lb)
  • Useful load: 7,500 kg (combat load) (16,534 lb)
  • Max takeoff weight: 37,000 kg (81,570 lb)
  • Powerplant: 2× New unnamed engine by NPO Saturn and FNPTS MMPP Salyut of 175 kN each. Prototype with AL-41F1 of 147 kN each,[65] definitive version with new engine >157 kN[65]
  • Maximum Fuel weight: 10,300 kg (22,711 lb)[63]
Performance

Armament


  • Guns: None on prototype. Apparent provision for a cannon (most likely GSh-301).Possible two 30mm cannons[68]
  • Hardpoints: Two internal bays estimated at 4.6-4.7 metres by 1-1.1 metres.[69] Other sources suggest two auxiliary internal bays for short range AAMS and 6 external hardpoints
Avionics
N050(?)BRLS AFAR/AESA built by Tikhomirov NIIP and based on Tikhomirov NIIP N035 Irbis-E .
 
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So, 3 next generation stealth fighters, one American, one Chinese, one Russian. I cannot offer an informed opinion, as I am not an aviator or any sort of specialist in that field. But there are Air Forces people here. What do you think?
 
Well... F35 shouldn't be compared to either J-20 or PAK-FA. F35 is smaller, carries less payload, weights less. While J-20 and PAK-FA are designed to be top-notch 5th gen fighters, F35 is plane designed to be a cheaper alternative for F22. F35 is for F22 what F16 was for F15. A "cheaper" mass produced multirole.
So it would be more fair to compare F22 to J-20 and PAK-FA. Or so I think.
 
your evaluation based on size of jet fighter... ok,
Look at stats Prapor posted, draw your own conclusions.
I based this evaluation on: engine, wingspan, top speed, max payload, weight, AND size. I don't have info on radars or electronics used in any of these so I skipped that. Mind that stealh tech fighter has to carry payload inside to be less visable on radar. So size does matter, it means more room for payload without losing stealh attributes. Keep this ok,... to yourself...
 
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Look at stats Prapor posted, draw your own conclusions.
I based this evaluation on: engine, wingspan, top speed, max payload, weight, AND size. I don't have info on radars or electronics used in any of these so I skipped that. Mind that stealh tech fighter has to carry payload inside to be less visable on radar. So size does matter, it means more room for payload without losing stealh attributes. Keep this ok,... to yourself...
Not OK then to compare aircraft based on 30% max of known factors
 
I do not think that comparing these aircraft based on their classified nature and their lack of information as well as any known combat performance records is very feasible at this time.
 
Well... F35 shouldn't be compared to either J-20 or PAK-FA. F35 is smaller, carries less payload, weights less. While J-20 and PAK-FA are designed to be top-notch 5th gen fighters, F35 is plane designed to be a cheaper alternative for F22. F35 is for F22 what F16 was for F15. A "cheaper" mass produced multirole.
So it would be more fair to compare F22 to J-20 and PAK-FA. Or so I think.
Yeah, very clear. in one vs one air battle, T50 and J20 will defeat F35.
 
This is one those topics that you just can't really touch on yet, 5th generation fighters and their applications are still in their infancy, they may look like normal jet fighters, but we still internationally haven't got a firm grasp on how they can be used, and what effects they would have not only on facing each other, but modern ware fare in general.

It may take years, if not decades, before we see what these planes can do, and are capable of is available as common knowledge, a century from now maybe, due alone to the classified nature of these machines today, we may know a great deal more, as for know, it's guesstimating and just fishing in the dark.
 
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