F-22 vs MiG-1.42 - Page 2




View Poll Results :Who do You think is better?
F-22 "Raptor" 26 78.79%
MiG 1.42 "Raptorski" 7 21.21%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

 
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July 3rd, 2004  
Uncle_Sam
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rovai
Coz mig has Infra Red Helmet Sight, which makes all western close combat equipment obsolete. It has huge angle, and in close combat F-22 doesnt has a chance unless it has the same system.

Actually, I would vote for S-37 Berkut, its much better plane than MiG 1.42.

BTW MiG 1.42 was never ment for a service, it is merely a test system for the next generation plane technologies. Only problem is that the project never had adequate finances.
Infra red equipment was even on the F-14s in mid 80s, why do you think Raptor doesn't have it? Also I read somewhere that Raptor is undetectable by infra-red, I'll try to dind a link.
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July 6th, 2004  
Uncle_Sam
 
 
Commanche is undetectable by Infra red! They say F-22 is too What are now your infra-red sights going to do!
July 6th, 2004  
Uncle_Sam
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marksman
thats the main problem with russians,they have brain but dont have money to use that brain
Every one has brain, even a chicken!
Maybe if they invested their money in domestic development, and not on spying superior US, maybe they would go better.................
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July 7th, 2004  
AlexKall
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle_Sam
Commanche is undetectable by Infra red! They say F-22 is too What are now your infra-red sights going to do!
The Infrared signature is reduced. Thats quite a difference, also the Chommanche project was scrapped.

Also you know what he ment by that about the brain.
July 8th, 2004  
rovai
 
Actually, i made a mistake, coz there is Helmet Mounted Sight(not infra red). It is not any detection device, but it allows launching missiles at 45 degrees(cone of attack), while western aircraft can launch only at about 20 degrees. This makes new MiGs and SU's superior in close combat.

In long range combat(long range missiles, AMRAAM), hit probability is very low, less than 50%(assuming pilot knows how to do maneuvering). So you can say that Raptor has some advantage because of better radar,but R-77 is better than AMRAAM. In close combat, MiG is superior.
Of course Im talking about situation when pilots have same training.

We're not talking about helos here, but...RAH-66 is a great helicopter, but it is a RECONNISANCE helicopter, it has very litte attack capability, because of it's low payload and internal pylons(ahh, that stealth technology). Also planes rarely engage helicopters because helos are almost invulnerable to AIR-AIR missiles. I'll explain why:

AIR-AIR missile has very high speed(because it is designed to catch up with planes), thus having reatively low manuverability(it cannot spin around and turn around like in movies). In result, evasion is possible. Now, planes are maneuverable than missiles, and they can evade. Helicopters are way too maneuverable, they can change flying direction very fast(the point of evasive maneuvers is to change vector of flight very fast, and then missile cant make such maneuvers, and it misses).
July 8th, 2004  
Uncle_Sam
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexKall
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle_Sam
Commanche is undetectable by Infra red! They say F-22 is too What are now your infra-red sights going to do!
The Infrared signature is reduced. Thats quite a difference, also the Chommanche project was scrapped.

Also you know what he ment by that about the brain.
Of course I know, but it's not about brains, it's about little bit harder schools, nothing else...........................
July 8th, 2004  
AlexKall
 
Or: Its not about brains its about money.
July 15th, 2004  
strictly420
 
THE RUSSIAN HELMET MOUNTED SIGHT IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE NAVY'S JOINT HELMET CUEING SYSTEM, NOT ONLY DOS IT HAVE THE HUD ON THE HELMET VISOR BUT YOUR CAN LOOK IN ANY DIRECTION AND TARGET MUTIPLE TARGETS AND FIRE AT THEM ANYTIME YOU WANT TO INCLUDING TARGETING WHILE IN INFRARED.


July 15th, 2004  
Uncle_Sam
 
 
Who's Navy?
July 17th, 2004  
GADefence
 
The best way I can answer this is - Do I want a very large, slightly maneouvrable, slightly stealthy, slightly fast figther? Or do I pick something other then a raptor?