Europe's View of America now

A Can of Man

Je suis aware
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/09/post-anti-americanism.html?from=rss

I think it's well written and pretty much bang on the money. The view isn't just limited to Europe but applies to Europe more so than anywhere else.
The only part I don't agree with is what he said about Afghanistan. I think the anti-war sentiment only really kicked off with Iraq and currently the attitude has spilled over to Afghanistan.
As for fighting the likes of Al Qaeda, I don't think many people on our side would think that it is in fact wrong.
 
Who cares?

This statement in the article says it all:

"but Europe doesn’t agree with the premise or, even if it does, doesn’t want to pay for the cost."

The US has been paying the lions share of defense costs for western nations since WWII. Europeans can spend more on their own health care if they don't have to share the burden of defense.

This kind of article is even older than the picture in the article.

Might be time the US pull back and let Europe show us how it should be done.

If I had a nickel for every article like this, written since 1945, I would throw away Bill Gates money.:-D
 
Uhh no.
Previously Europeans looked down on America for their "short history" and "cultural inferiority." Basically subjective and meaningless stuff, often as a sign of severe inferiority complexes and fears of American pop culture steamrollering their national and cultural heritages. But inside they always were in awe of the achievements of the US, its national power and quality of life in the US. So the shift from anti-Americanism to thinking that it really is no fun to get angry or upset at a retard is actually a huge shift in attitudes.
That's why this article is different.
I scoffed at those old articles you are probably talking about. This one, not so much.
 
As a European myself, I can say same old- not much changed, especially since American attitude of "in god blessed, superior USA and the rest of a small world" still present, economy and quality of life is failing behind some EU countries, foreign policies and methods of intervention improving a bit ...Future looks more of common understanding
 
As a European myself, I can say same old- not much changed, especially since American attitude of "in god blessed, superior USA and the rest of a small world" still present, economy and quality of life is failing behind some EU countries, foreign policies and methods of intervention improving a bit ...Future looks more of common understanding

That actually changes a lot of things.
 
Here in Scandinavia, the attitude especially from young people to America is that they are utterly indifferent to the U.S. The older generation still has the same attitude as in the past. Most older people still believe that America's political influence in the world is negative. They still believe that U.S. foreign policy creates more enemies than it solves problems.

Europeans have always regarded America with a mixture of fascination and confusion, and many times with disbelief. How can a country that prides itself on its economic success have so many very poor people? How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the world's beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy special interest groups? How can a country that has produced so much cultural and economic wealth act like that? It's not the America that everyone dreamed of is it?

When the Europeans come to such criticisms, Americans assume we are envious. "They want what we got," the thinking goes, and if they can not get it, they will stop us from having it. But does everyone want what the U.S. has? Well, we like some of it, but could do without the rest. Europeans tend to regard free national health care, unemployment benefits, social housing and so on as pretty good models of human progress. We think it's important - civilized, in fact - to help people who fall through society's cracks. It is not just altruism, but an understanding that far too many losers in society hurts everyone. It is better for everyone to have a stake in society than to have a poor underclass bent on destroying things. For many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, nanny state. But so what? And many Europeans can’t understand why America doesn’t want some of what we have.

When U.S. politicians states that “the American way is the only way” then you are seen as arrogant and moralizing, just like George W. Bush’s statement "You are either with us or against us" is something you can expect from a mullah, not an American president. God is also often mentioned in connection with politics. Doing it in Europe and you will not be taken seriously.

The reason that some in Europe still have this attitude, is perhaps because the Europeans expected that America would act differently than all the other empires in history, but wasn’t that the original idea?

America is often proclaimed the villain of all villains but the truth, as so many times before, also has other nuances. Very often, we in Europe have looked with skeptical eye on what happens in the U.S.. For example, we have shaken our heads of your entertainment programs and of U.S. election campaigns. And suddenly, our own lives are filled with US reality shows on TV and of election campaigns, just like in the U.S...

It may easily pay off to look over the Atlantic. At what’s happening and what’s going on. Although we are skeptical. Who knows, maybe the Americans have something to offer to our world anyway.
 
You know, there are 3 nations on this planet which had been accused of being evil/imperialist/egoist/warlike/irresponsible etc and who's names had been written on the "Death to ...!" banners since they appeared on the world stage. All the time. Whatever they did in the past and whatever they do today. The world (Europe in context) is just to big and diverse to please every one.
 
Here in Scandinavia, the attitude especially from young people to America is that they are utterly indifferent to the U.S. The older generation still has the same attitude as in the past. Most older people still believe that America's political influence in the world is negative. They still believe that U.S. foreign policy creates more enemies than it solves problems.

Europeans have always regarded America with a mixture of fascination and confusion, and many times with disbelief. How can a country that prides itself on its economic success have so many very poor people? How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the world's beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy special interest groups? How can a country that has produced so much cultural and economic wealth act like that? It's not the America that everyone dreamed of is it?

When the Europeans come to such criticisms, Americans assume we are envious. "They want what we got," the thinking goes, and if they can not get it, they will stop us from having it. But does everyone want what the U.S. has? Well, we like some of it, but could do without the rest. Europeans tend to regard free national health care, unemployment benefits, social housing and so on as pretty good models of human progress. We think it's important - civilized, in fact - to help people who fall through society's cracks. It is not just altruism, but an understanding that far too many losers in society hurts everyone. It is better for everyone to have a stake in society than to have a poor underclass bent on destroying things. For many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, nanny state. But so what? And many Europeans can’t understand why America doesn’t want some of what we have.

When U.S. politicians states that “the American way is the only way” then you are seen as arrogant and moralizing, just like George W. Bush’s statement "You are either with us or against us" is something you can expect from a mullah, not an American president. God is also often mentioned in connection with politics. Doing it in Europe and you will not be taken seriously.

The reason that some in Europe still have this attitude, is perhaps because the Europeans expected that America would act differently than all the other empires in history, but wasn’t that the original idea?

America is often proclaimed the villain of all villains but the truth, as so many times before, also has other nuances. Very often, we in Europe have looked with skeptical eye on what happens in the U.S.. For example, we have shaken our heads of your entertainment programs and of U.S. election campaigns. And suddenly, our own lives are filled with US reality shows on TV and of election campaigns, just like in the U.S...

It may easily pay off to look over the Atlantic. At what’s happening and what’s going on. Although we are skeptical. Who knows, maybe the Americans have something to offer to our world anyway.

Not much to add to that.
"My way or the highway" just isn't the attitude that leads to being an appreciated partner;
"Look at me, I'm so superior in every possible way" neither.
But where people got angry because of this a couple of years ago, it's more like uncles and aunts being annoyed by the fact that their nephew just won't grow up, nowadays.
 
Here in Scandinavia, the attitude especially from young people to America is that they are utterly indifferent to the U.S. The older generation still has the same attitude as in the past. Most older people still believe that America's political influence in the world is negative. They still believe that U.S. foreign policy creates more enemies than it solves problems.

Europeans have always regarded America with a mixture of fascination and confusion, and many times with disbelief. How can a country that prides itself on its economic success have so many very poor people? How is it that a country so insistent on the rule of law should seek to exempt itself from international agreements? And how is it that the world's beacon of democracy can have elections dominated by wealthy special interest groups? How can a country that has produced so much cultural and economic wealth act like that? It's not the America that everyone dreamed of is it?

When the Europeans come to such criticisms, Americans assume we are envious. "They want what we got," the thinking goes, and if they can not get it, they will stop us from having it. But does everyone want what the U.S. has? Well, we like some of it, but could do without the rest. Europeans tend to regard free national health care, unemployment benefits, social housing and so on as pretty good models of human progress. We think it's important - civilized, in fact - to help people who fall through society's cracks. It is not just altruism, but an understanding that far too many losers in society hurts everyone. It is better for everyone to have a stake in society than to have a poor underclass bent on destroying things. For many Americans, this sounds like socialism, big government, nanny state. But so what? And many Europeans can’t understand why America doesn’t want some of what we have.

When U.S. politicians states that “the American way is the only way” then you are seen as arrogant and moralizing, just like George W. Bush’s statement "You are either with us or against us" is something you can expect from a mullah, not an American president. God is also often mentioned in connection with politics. Doing it in Europe and you will not be taken seriously.

The reason that some in Europe still have this attitude, is perhaps because the Europeans expected that America would act differently than all the other empires in history, but wasn’t that the original idea?

America is often proclaimed the villain of all villains but the truth, as so many times before, also has other nuances. Very often, we in Europe have looked with skeptical eye on what happens in the U.S.. For example, we have shaken our heads of your entertainment programs and of U.S. election campaigns. And suddenly, our own lives are filled with US reality shows on TV and of election campaigns, just like in the U.S...

It may easily pay off to look over the Atlantic. At what’s happening and what’s going on. Although we are skeptical. Who knows, maybe the Americans have something to offer to our world anyway.
A few comments. The Welfare programs were for helping those who fell throught the cracks, but has resulted in a parasite group happy to sit on thier butts & collect hand outs. Back in the 90s there was a story of a woman who arrived in NYC from Puerto Rico in the 50s. By the 90s her, & her extended family, had sucked up a million dollars in Govt. handouts. But then a German young lady was quoted that she wouldn't "ruin her health" (work) for not much more than what she was getting from the govt. One town here learned about a community bike sharing program (Netherlands?) that works nicely & decided to try it there. All that happened in the US town was all the bikes were quickly stolen. Somethings that work for you may not here.
 
The US has been paying the lions share of defense costs for western nations since WWII. Europeans can spend more on their own health care if they don't have to share the burden of defense.
Which raises the question,... Why?
I'm sure that I know,... and I'm damned sure that with only a lttle thought you might be able to work it out too. I think that I could quite safely say that the US never spent a single cent in Europe that wasn't expected to pay off in spades keeping the Red Terror at arm's length in the event of the cold war hotting up. It was far from the magnanimous gesture you seem to allude to. The fact that many ofthe European countries spent their money on social benefits was little to do with any money that the US spent on their forces.
 
Not much to add to that.
"My way or the highway" just isn't the attitude that leads to being an appreciated partner;
"Look at me, I'm so superior in every possible way" neither.
But where people got angry because of this a couple of years ago, it's more like uncles and aunts being annoyed by the fact that their nephew just won't grow up, nowadays.

That sums it up.
 
Which raises the question,... Why?
Exactly my point. Just another article. ACoM says it is a new "different" angle. If so why does it have a 6 year old picture?

You put new paint on an old car, what have you got? An old car.

Seems ACoM thinks Europeans have "severe inferiority complexes and fears of American pop culture steamrollering their national and cultural heritages."

I did not see this when I have been to Europe, if Europeans where thinking about the US it was probably basketball or a band. They were not suffering migraines worrying about US culture.

A lot of people might disagree but the best food in Europe was in Italy.

Europeans have been offering advise as to how the US should do things forever. We don't listen much because we think we can screw it up better than anyone.

From what I have seen of Europe, I don't see the French begging Germany to tell them how to succeed. How is that common European currency working, did England ever join in?:) Europeans want a strong union, but can't trust each other to share their currency?

So in the long run why should the US care what Europeans think the US should do? Europeans can't figure out their own problems.
 
Oh really?
You're going now nitpick about a picture?
But let me explain why it's an old picture. That photo represents the "old" view. Where Europeans were protesting in large numbers and quite frequently. That is why that photo is several years old. The point is that such demonstrations are becoming more and more rare.

And when did I say Europe was perfect?
I said it was how they saw America now and how the general perception of the United States has changed.

I suppose in this case I'm not entirely sure if you're trolling or if you're just not quite smart enough to figure it out.
 
Oh really?
You're going now nitpick about a picture?
But let me explain why it's an old picture. That photo represents the "old" view. Where Europeans were protesting in large numbers and quite frequently. That is why that photo is several years old. The point is that such demonstrations are becoming more and more rare.

And when did I say Europe was perfect?
I said it was how they saw America now and how the general perception of the United States has changed.

I suppose in this case I'm not entirely sure if you're trolling or if you're just not quite smart enough to figure it out.

My point is the article is just a rehash of old complaints. It still is my view, I have been around long enough to hear it before.

And as Atsas said "As a European myself, I can say same old- not much changed"
 
That article was but a piece of pro-American propaganda. But it shows, however, how arrogant Americans are and how big is their superiority complex.
 
The only possible thing I could label 'pro-American' in this article is the author's slightly aggrieved undertone when depicting the European's mental attitude concerning America. Suggesting that he wants to say we (yes we, I won't act like I make an exception from this attitude) are being unfair in this, well...okay, that might be something you could see as pro-American.
But what would you expect? It's his country, after all. Your own country getting bashed by others is not what you want to hear; at least not if you have some kind of a spine. I'm German, so...believe me - I know what I'm talking about.
Or would you write an article like 'Well, everyone thinks that Poland sucks *** and I gotta say they're absolutely right.'?
 
Actually, Poland does suck. Believe me, many people here hate this country and are usually the ones who write such articles.

If you can't see the obvious propaganda in this article...okay, let's just look at the first paragraph. First paragraph only. Or not. First two paragraphs. I don't want to analyze reset of this b******t.

You can still buy an American newspaper at the kiosk in Rome’s Piazza Colonna, but you have to ask the lady behind the counter. She turns from the window, paws through a stack on the floor, and produces an International Herald Tribune,

Is it just me or is it written with a doze of disgust towards Europe?

holding it at arm’s length like a day-old fish

This was supposed to cause a shock American readers by showing how Europeans disrespect their glorious nation. And is, of course, untrue. No shopkeepers hand newspapers like a "day old fish" and certainly not because these newspapers originated from a certain nation.

It’s the same availability and tone in Venice, the Greek islands, and Istanbul.

(sarcasm)Clearly, Europe hates our great nation.

The implicit question in the transaction is always the same: why would you want to read that thing about that place at this time?

(sarcasm)Yeah, cause Europeans consider Americans disgusting and in their opinion u are disgusting too if you read American stuff. Or something.

And when you read about America in European newspapers, what you are likely to find is a tone bordering on pity.

(sarcasm again)Did I mentioned that these Europeans consider our great country disgusting? It's an outrage!!! How can they!?!!?!!?!!!!?!?!??!111oneone

The U.S. is depicted as a fraying empire of obesity, ignorance, debt, gridlock, stagnation, and mindless war

This one is true.....a little. It is a common joke that Americans are fat, but nobody thinks of them that extremely.

Sure, the iPad is cool, but it is evidence of what America was, not what it will be again

(sarcasm)
Yeah, we invented that cool stuff, we are awesome, and everybody uses it, and they should bow to us and worship us for that cause they use it and we invented it and it's obvious that America hadn't changed since 18 century there was no patriot act and we fought wars only in self-defense1!1111

The stories are not angry, accusatory, or even ideological. It’s worse: they are condescendingly elegiac.

(guess what-sarcasm!!!)
Arrogant Europeans, they think they are so cool aarrgh I want to kill them!!!
 
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