Are EU’s Roma/Gypsies Moving To Russia?

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Rising tensions between the Roma and the titular nationalities of the European Union have sparked reports in Moscow that some of this often-despised community are about to be moved to the Russian Federation, either on their own or from a deal between the EU and Russian officials who believe that that country needs all the migrants it can get.
“Komsomolskaya Pravda” reported about this possibility (http://www.km.ru/v-rossii/2011/05/03...nashi-vlasti-v), picking up on a story that had run the day before on the Tolkovatel.ru portal (ttolk.ru/?p=3665).
According to Tolkovatel.ru, the possibility of an agreement by which Europe’s Roma will be dispatched to the Russian Federation and possibly Ukraine is to be the subject of upcoming discussions between the EU and the Russian Federation, a step France and several East European countries support but the Germany reportedly opposes.

The first public mention of this, Tolkovatel.ru said, was a “Komsomolskaya Pravda” radio program on April 12 when Roman Grokholsky, a leader of the Roma community in the Russian Federation, said that in his view, “Russia for economic reasons could accept [Europe’s Roma]. It is an enormous land” (kp.ru.daily/25667/828997/).
As Yuri Filatov put in yesterday’s “Komsomolskaya Pravda,” “Europe it seems has found a radical solution for the problems of its Roma [who number between nine and twelve million] – simply to take them and resettle them in Russia.”
European countries do not have a good record in their dealings with the Roma. Last year, for example, French President Nicolas Sarkozy expelled “several thousand” of them to Bulgaria and Romania, an action that was denounced by international human rights groups but generally supported by the French people and by residents of many other EU countries.
But despite this support, European governments have concluded, Filatov continues, that is “neither technically nor economically” feasible “to deport all the Roma to Romania or Bulgaria as was done in the past: the sizes of these countries do not allow that and local nationalists are protesting ever more loudly against” that idea.
As a result, Europeans have come up with the notion “why not resettle all the Roma in Russia (and also in Ukraine),” which have the space and the jobs to accommodate them and which, in the view of the Europeans, have a tradition of tolerance for the Roma, as reflected in Russian novels and music.
It is anticipated, the paper says, that “each Roma family would receive from the European Union money for travel and resettlement.” The exact amount hasn’t been determined but it would likely be in the range of 500 euros per person, the amount Roma deported from France received earlier.
“In this way,” Filatov says, “by counting on our accommodating spirit and hospitality, ‘tolerant’ Europe wants on our account to resolve the problem of its own intolerance. And it is worth noting that in the circles in and around the powers that be in Russia, there is actively being prepared the basis for such decisions.”
Indeed, the “Komsomolskaya Pravda” journalist says, the Russian elite is thinking about far more than just Europe’s Roma. Specifically, it is thinking about the Chinese and even Africans as a means of addressing the Russian Federation’s increasingly severe demographic decline.
Filatov cites the comments of Zhanna Zayonchkovskaya, the head of the migration laboratory of the Institute of Economic Prognostication at the Russian Academy of Sciences, at a meeting last week devoted to the demographic dimensions of Moscow’s strategy paper for 2020 (slon.ru/articles/587652/).
Given Russia’s declines in its overall population and especially among working age cohorts, Zayonchkovskaya said, Russia will have to attract at least 20 million additional migrants over the next 15 years. Central Asian countries can supply no more than six million of these, and so most will have to come from China.
Chinese workers are already coming into Russia and they will only increase in number over the coming years, Zayonchkovskaya said, noting that “the longer we put our heads in the sand, the more unexpected this will be for us.” And there is going to be a big change: by mid-century, she said, there will be more ethnic Chinese in Russia than Tatars.
Such migration flows will only feed more xenophobic attitudes among Russians, such as those that the recently banned (the case is now on appeal) Movement Against Illegal Immigration (DPNI) reflect and seek to channel. And it is no surprise that the DPNI portal features these stories about Europe’s Roma.
But Zayonchkovskaya’s comments reflect the dilemma in which the Russian government finds itself: If it allows more immigration, increasingly from non-Slavic peoples, it will face an ever more antagonistic population. But if it doesn’t, the Russian economy will suffer, and the regime will face class rather than ethnic anger.

http://www.eurasiareview.com/are-eus-roma-moving-to-russia-analysis-05052011/

About Chinese is exaggeration. Today, there are about 1.5 to, maybe, 2,000,000 ethnic Chinese in Russia vs. 5,000,000 Tatars. The Chinese population has stayed the same for the last 6 years, while the Tatar population is growing because of an increasing birth rate (12/1000 in 2000, about 15/1000 now). Keep in mind that China, thanks to the one child policy, is experiencing a quickly aging population and soon their population will start shrinking too. In Shanghai, already, 1 in 4 people is over the age of 65, that's just facts.

Anyway, about the Gypsies, there are already Russian Gypsies we have here. Southern Gypsies tend to live close to and have a symbiotic sort of relationship with the Cossacks (okay, they make and sell cheap but good alcohol and their girls 'entertain' our men on occasion, in return, we pay and protect them, that's sort of symbiosis, right? :D); and those that live in Moscow or Saint Petersburg are divided in two distinct groups: street Gypsies, who are poor, mostly homeless, and beg, steal, tell fortune, sell narcotics, alcohol, and sex, and basically do whatever it takes to survive; and then there is a sort of Gypsie intelligentsya, those who are in the entertainment industry, in the Romen Theatre. Wealthy, educated people.
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You can see how we have a weakness for this, yes? :) It is not just that Gypsie ladies are gorgeous, but the things they can do... Things that good, faithful Orthodox Christian men cannot ask their wives for. Know what we call Gypsie tabors (tribal compounds)? 'Place where God won't look' lol But I am going off topic here. :eek:fftopic:

Now. As far as the European Roma/Gypsies, sure, we could take them in. They should probably put them into the underpopulated areas in the North or the Far East. Like Chukotka, 60,000 people on a area the size of Germany. Though, of course, the small indegenous nations that own a lot of those lands will probably not like being suddenly a minority in their traditional domains... :confused:

Oh, well... Anyway, if this is true, it is fine by me. We're a huge, enormous country. We have a lot of space here, enough for all. :)
 
That reminds me my stepfather, God Bless Him, 20years or so service in the City of Glasgow Regiment, India, Dunkirk etc, who told me when I was a kid that he had solved Britain's problems completely.(this was end of WW11).

As Britain was still an island then, and isolated to that degree, he wanted to turn it into one great prison, military style, armies and all.

What about us, I asked. That's the key, says he in triumph, all of our current population up stumps and clear off to live in Australia! (Being a kid, I failed to ask whether that bit would be voluntarily.

Simples!

Are you listening Seno? :smile: The whole darn lot of us, me and all. He was always a 'raze it to the ground ' military decision maker.
 
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He sounds like a great bloke. I could think of worse things. You poms are a funny lot, but,... our Government started it in the 1950s and for the most part it turned out one of our better plans.

All we'd have to do is stop you from trying to change this great country into a mirror image of Blighty. Some who came, tried, but they nearly all returned home leaving us with the good 'uns. My very best mate was 'Arry Alderson from Middlesbrough, who unfortunately died of a congenital heart disease aged 42 (the same age as his Father)
 
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Can some of us pool some money together and start our own country or autonomous region? lol

Sure, why not.

That's what we are fighting to do right now, get our own autonomous territory. We Cossacks always had autonomy under the Tsars. We should now too. :-D I mean, de facto we already basically rule our territories, Putin's police never even enters our villages, we maintain law and order ourselves, our way. But, we want to make it de jure too lol
 
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Seno, I'll tell you a couple of stories about such matters sometime.

Your mate 'Arry has left a mark with you; My last voyage , on Royal Star, I became best mates with a great guy, Tommy B from Stratford, East End of London our places were a bus ride away; Royal Star did the west coast USA, then we spent our leave in London; then I met a girl, and decided to volunteer for my Army/RN service cos' I was 18; I thought it was time to spend some time in England after so much time away. Tommy sailed, I stayed. The army sent me abroad for 2 years and Tommy jumped ship in Australia I later heard; It was a big attraction in those days for sure. My uncle George, stoker on the Queen ships WW11, afterwards did the same. Got lost there!
 
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