EU lifts Arm embargo to CHina in 6 month - Page 6




 
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Boots
 
January 18th, 2005  
k19
 
Huh? I don't really think China invaded any country in the past 50 years, how do you all get the idea that China will attack the Europe? Although there were some border disputes, that isn’t count as invasion but a defensive move for the security of the nation. Europe and china do not have any shared borders do they? How would the Europe have a war with china? Crossing Russia to fight? Does a communist country have to be an invader, or, a thread? Or, just the “common sense” the westerners have? when can people really drop this Cold-War sense, and we might just live peacefully as usual.
January 18th, 2005  
Archit
 
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Originally Posted by Darcia
That or it shows the EU is desperate to try to find someone to sell thier arms to that isn't right beside them and could one day use thier own weapons on them.
No, I don't think so.China has never invaded Europe in the history,China has no conflicts with EU.And China will never invade Europe too, because she has not such a will. And also,has no interests to do so.
January 18th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
Vietnam.

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Originally Posted by k19
Huh? I don't really think China invaded any country in the past 50 years
And as a result, Japan and South Korea must strengthen their ties with the US. But of course too many people here are way too short sighted. They don't realize there's a whole world going on out there. *sigh*
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January 18th, 2005  
k19
 
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Originally Posted by the_13th_redneck
Vietnam.
Although communist China had backed North Vietnam in its struggle against South Vietnam and the United States, the Chinese and Vietnamese were traditional enemies; tensions between the two increased when Vietnam strengthened its ties with the Soviet Union, invaded Laos and Cambodia (Kampuchea) in late 1978, and expelled Chinese living in Vietnam. ------------ Why wouldn’t any country act to prevent further clash when other countries gone, people were forced to live just because of their identity, and soviet political moves to intensify the power at the region. Laos and Cambodia’s existence is crucial to the balance of power at the region. It’s more like the Korean War, when U.N planes started cross the border river and bombed some of the Chinese cities, American generals shouting china is next, you act to prevent it as far the border as possible. It’s more of a resistance move rather than a dangerous invasion. WW2 Japan’s action, and that was called a dangerous invasion with land occupying and people killing with a wrong ideology, and that is called a thread. Do Koreans forget about that?

Once again, this example is perfectly showed that the western world still holding the Cold-war sense, when come to judge the right or wrong, or a normal or a thread. When India announced their Nuclear technology, no critical actions taken, even when the South Korean government admits their “some weapons level Nuclear research”, no one seems cared, because they were western friendly, and not been considered any threads, however, the international treaty clear states that forbidden any countries’ possible nuclear research at weapon level, ANY country. If people don’t re-identify this long last issue, there will be always possible wars with some very ridiculous reason to drag bunch unrelated countries to a worldwide clash. If the judgment is so fundamentally political driven at any given time, and any cost, who would it be taken seriously for the issue? Or, would it be the right thing to do? Even when the CNN news reporting addressing the china-U.S trade issue, which, I don’t necessarily disagree their points, then the last words was still “don’t forget china is still a communist’s country”, I mean, what the hell is the trade issue to do with that? Can I change of political form change really solve the trade issue???
January 18th, 2005  
Darcia
 
...technicly if we ever did leave the 'cold war' state of mind we would have to go back to the WW2 state of mind.
January 18th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
en.......Han dynasty in China probably caused the end of West Roman Empire...Han Dynasty kicked Hun out of their old northern desert and Huns start to move west, and kicking other "Barba" nations west and finally everybody meets in the land Of Roman empire, Roman empire can't fight off so many barbas and it collapses..

back to topic....
i dont think China really invaded any nations for the purpose to capture some lands..(although china is still occupying LOTs of lands from Vietnam..some islands, some mountains..and lots of land from India///..possiblely 0.24 million suqre kilo-meters...)
January 19th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
k19, nice spin but you did invade Vietnam. Righteous or wrong, it was still an invasion so you're still going to have to take your statement back. It wasn't a "popular rebellion" as the Chinese like to picture it as. Just as the PLA who rushed into Korea in 1950 were not really the "volunteer workers" they were labelled as.

I think at this stage the EU's trying to make a quick buck and they know China's willing to dish out huge sums of money to enhance their military power. That's the main motivation. I think one can link perhaps anti-American politics into it but I think economics is the main reason.
January 19th, 2005  
k19
 
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Originally Posted by Sexybeast
en.......Han dynasty in China probably caused the end of West Roman Empire...Han Dynasty kicked Hun out of their old northern desert and Huns start to move west, and kicking other "Barba" nations west and finally everybody meets in the land Of Roman empire, Roman empire can't fight off so many barbas and it collapses..
Yeah, you just keep holding that thought.

For the past 2 centuries, the rising so called-western countries has a very simple history, invasion, expansion, more power, invasion and expansion……the people after 2 centuries still carries this ideology because it used to work and still trying to make it work in the western countries, in a more formal word, colonialism and now, neocolonialism. But china was a totally opposite story. After 2 centuries of torture, and lost of 1/3 of its land, 20 countries armies occupying the whole land, what made the Chinese so united on many issues is that it can no longer to see another such history plays again, but not necessarily to revenge. It like bunch lions tells a cat, “you are a big thread, you could kill a mouse”.

Put “A LOT” on what other countries claims that under control by China, it’s like finding The Republic of Maldives on a map, but when there comes to see how the Russians, Japanese and all 8 of them, did it to china in 1900, it’s probably like kids cutting a cake in a party, even the Indian army under English rule was so “proud” to petrol in china’s largest city. That’s called threads to a nation.

I just don’t get it, an English draw a line between China and India in a map, even without Chinese official’s signature, it can become the reason of a country to cry about the lost that the Chinese caused, not even mention they were not even talk to the same Chinese government. You certainly didn’t read my response to your question on the other article about the India – china border issue, once again, here is the link, it’s made by a westerner, not Chinese, so, it’s not a propaganda.

http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard...ds/1962war.htm


About Vietnam, please see the reply two post ahead of yours, and I don’t know what island you were talking about? South China Sea? If you think it was being invaded, go ask a Chinese, or if you don’t believe him, go ask a Taiwanese historian, might make you feels western comfortable, see what they think.

Even till today, Chinese people were still outraged about the "China cutting land to make peace with the neighbors, such as Russia, critics says the years of high level official talks end with a permanent agreements, was a land selling agreement for peace. Very surprisingly, most of those critics were comes from communities outside of China, in the other word, Chinese people living under the western rules, which, many of them were often supported by western governments for political reasons.
January 19th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
You're deflecting.
You're not answering the question.
Yes it sucks to have land carved away but that is irrelevent to the statement I made.
January 19th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
i dont know wut r u talking about korean dude...

but we got to admit china did invade vietnam, nothing shame about it, just like U.S invades Iraq, it is invasion but it does not mean it is bad