EU Constitution rejected by France - Page 5




 
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June 9th, 2005  
gladius
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by loki
And I dont see in general whats so socialist about the EU. I mean the EU is trying to regulate a lot of things, so if regulation is socialist by itself, ok. And there are subsidies, especially for agriculture, but that you will find everywhere in the world, in the US its called "USAid" if I remember correctly.
As I recall somebody already answered my question previously, so why you are bringing it back up I don't know.

As far as a Socialist Europe goes you must living so deep in it you can't tell the difference. If you comparing the government subsidies the US gives its own to help the economy or people to being socialist, then like I said I doubt you can tell the difference anymore.
June 10th, 2005  
Darcia
 
I think the idea of a United Europe is good however to get Europe to agree on something you have to get the Euro powers out of a basic full control. Them being the UK,germany,France,Italy,Spain. it seems with what they go with others follow.
June 10th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darcia
I think the idea of a United Europe is good however to get Europe to agree on something you have to get the Euro powers out of a basic full control. Them being the UK,germany,France,Italy,Spain. it seems with what they go with others follow.
Is there no similar problem in the US? Iowa getting pissed off at California because Cal is more populous and therefore more powerful in legislative decisions?
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June 10th, 2005  
KC72
 
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4079246.stm




And now France are after our money

am i the only one thinking that because chirac lost the EU referendum, he`s trying too look tough and influential in the EU.
June 10th, 2005  
Pierrot
 
yeah but Germany demands it too. Why don't you note this ? Why are you so obessed with France ?
And you criticize Chirac but why have you cancelled your own referendum ? your
Moreover I believe Blair wants to renegociate the PAC... And your rabatt is more than 20 years old : let's open the negociation in order to see what the different countries want to give to the EU budget, which is too small to face the enlargment.
June 11th, 2005  
Darcia
 
True,but if the US States get into a disagreement then 456 million people's economies are not affected by the decision.


As for the UK, i was actualy shocked when I found out around 1 and half years ago when I foundout they were a member.
June 11th, 2005  
loki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gladius
As I recall somebody already answered my question previously, so why you are bringing it back up I don't know.
Well then let me explain, the answers given seemed incomplete an/or inaccurate to me, hence I considered it opportune to bring forward my own thoughts on the subject. I guess a discussion is supposed to work like that.

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Originally Posted by gladius
As far as a Socialist Europe goes you must living so deep in it you can't tell the difference. If you comparing the government subsidies the US gives its own to help the economy or people to being socialist, then like I said I doubt you can tell the difference anymore.
Yeah probably I've been living in this commie hellhole for so long I cant even imagine any more what a shiny free market economy like yours looks like. I guess you all dance under the rainbow there and there are no trailer parks and no one's working at walmarts for 7.50$.... [/flame]

But seriously, I didnt say the US are socialist. I would say most countries of the EU arent either. Thats an improper term as theres more than just capitalism, socialism and a mixture thereof. But many EU countries like France or Germany practise more interventionism, keynesianism, etc. Thats two different paradigms on how to conduct governance. In the US theres and emphasis on "Everybody has to have the same chances, everything has to be fair" while here its more "Equity is good, but it should be sacrificed if it serves common welfare". Hence in general you have higher taxation, more subsidies, governmental health insurance, etc. in Europe.

On the other hand,look at the US military: 2 million state employees and a HUGE industry of suppliers which depend on it. 400 billion of public spending each year. I'm not saying thats mainly a employment-creation measure, but I do think that economic interests play a role there. I guess the US could also maintain there global dominance with a 200-billion military. There's noone to rival that position. Apart from China all other major military investors are allies of the US (Japan, GB, Germany, France,..). (Even if they are "so-called allies" today, theres ongoing cooperation in many fields that doesnt stop because certain politicians dont like each other.)

But thats a bit OT, what I was trying to say is that the EU as an instituion is not very socialist afaik. Its often the EU that keeps member states from making laws that discriminate foreign competitors, etc.

Regards, loki