EU Constitution rejected by France - Page 4




 
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Boots
 
June 6th, 2005  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by Pierrot
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One of the main reason the people of European countries do not want a United Europe is because of the national aspirations embedded into the societies before the pre-WWI era. And now because of that (and many other political reasons), they are oppose to a united Europe because they fear that it will disrupt their identity as individual people of their states.
Yes, but in France it represents "only" 35% of the "no-vote". The "no" won thanks to the left-wing electors, who were in a majority against the treaty.
They thought the treaty was too "liberal". But I must recognize this constitution was hazardous because it contained a "official" policy. Stauro, you can check it : read for example the third part (for example III-156, III-162, III-167 and the unbelievable III-131, but also the independence of the ECB, a parliament who cannot propose any law ! ... ) and the reference to the NATO (excuse me but it disturbs me )

The french paradox is : YES to Europe, so NO to this constitution
So do you think it will pass in the near future with some modification or is it a complete rewrite thats required?.
June 7th, 2005  
gladius
 
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Originally Posted by Pierrot
...and the unbelievable III-131... and the reference to the NATO (excuse me but it disturbs me )
What exactly is III-131? Why is it so unbeleivable?

And whats the reference to NATO?

Can you tell us, since I don't know where to find this info.
June 7th, 2005  
Pierrot
 
Well concerning the text itself you can read it here -->http://europa.eu.int/constitution/en/lsart3_en.htm
And look at the title of part III : do you really believe a constitution has to contain it ?

The reference to NATO is described at the article I-41--> http://europa.eu.int/constitution/en/lsart1_en.htm
NATO has nothing to do in a european constitution !

Hum I don't know if an other constitution will pass in France, but it is sure that if this new will not contain the third part, it would be easier. And perhaps I will vote "oui".
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Boots
June 8th, 2005  
Darcia
 
Does anyone know how Spain voted or did the people even vote on it?
June 8th, 2005  
SAINT
 
France probably did the right thing.. no EU for herself
June 8th, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
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Originally Posted by Darcia
Does anyone know how Spain voted or did the people even vote on it?
In Spain we had a referedum, the goverment asked for our opinion, but only 40% of the population voted.
June 8th, 2005  
loki
 
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Originally Posted by gladius
From what I heard in the news people are rejecting this because this constitution was going for an even more Socialist Europe.

With a shinking population, having more old people ended up being suported by fewer and fewer younger people in socialist based enocomy heavily supported by heavy taxes and the goverment you can see where this is leading to trouble. They have tried to import workers but this is causing another kind of trouble all its own.
I guess the main reason for the French refusal was a domestic one, people are dissatisfied with Chirac's policy, the referendum was his project, so its failure is a personal failure for him and hence the shake-up of his cabinet.

The other reason is that people in France and elsewhere (i.e. Germany) are afraid and angry about the new competition that comes with each act of extension and integration in/of the EU. The more the EU accretes, the easier it becomes i.e. for Renault to construct their cars in Slovakia and for Polish construction companies to win contracts in France and Germany.
So its actually the other way round, people are opposed to the aspects of liberalisation that come with the constitution.

And I dont see in general whats so socialist about the EU. I mean the EU is trying to regulate a lot of things, so if regulation is socialist by itself, ok. And there are subsidies, especially for agriculture, but that you will find everywhere in the world, in the US its called "USAid" if I remember correctly.
June 9th, 2005  
Darcia
 
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Originally Posted by staurofilakes
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Originally Posted by Darcia
Does anyone know how Spain voted or did the people even vote on it?
In Spain we had a referedum, the goverment asked for our opinion, but only 40% of the population voted.

How did they vote on it?
June 9th, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
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Originally Posted by Darcia
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Originally Posted by staurofilakes
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Originally Posted by Darcia
Does anyone know how Spain voted or did the people even vote on it?
In Spain we had a referedum, the goverment asked for our opinion, but only 40% of the population voted.

How did they vote on it?
We had a referendum. The main problem in Spain was that we did not have a real debate. All the political parties were pro Constitution, and this is quite strange `cause political parties usually do not agree on anything(if all the political parties agree somethig smells really bad). Only 40 % of spanish people voted, with this numbers you can get an idea of how much spaniards care about this Constitution.
June 9th, 2005  
CABAL
 
 
Actually this also bring concerns about Europe's Economy as well. According to BusinessWeek, Countries who opposed the EU Constitution experienced strong and rapid growth within their country as in contrast to the supporting nations who usually impose economic regulations mutually such as Italy and Germany experience an Economic slump.