EU Constitution rejected by France - Page 3




 
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Boots
 
June 3rd, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
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Originally Posted by Darcia
Canada isn't in Eurpe yet there part of the ESA. Who knows what the higher ups in the EU are thinking.
Why is there no talk of Canada joining the EU?
June 3rd, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
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Originally Posted by gladius
What is the general concensus though, do people over there still want a United Europe? (But with a better constitution)

From what I gathered both left and right were against the constution. Are there any specific examples that people were against that the politicians wanted?

Is Europe in general trying to get away from being too socialist or are they too locked in to do anything about it? The shrinking work force is going to be a problem for a welfare ridden society in the near future, this was a main concern from some of the people I saw being interviewed, what it had to do exactly with the constitution I'm not quite sure. I find this intresting and would like to know more about what exactly is going on over there with this development.
Only extreme leftist(comunist) and extreme right(fascist, like Le Pen in France) political parties were agaisnt the Constituion. All other parties were favourable.

In Spain there was not a debate about the Constitution, all the political parties were favourable to it. In Spain we said yes to the Constitution, but only with a 40% participation....great failure!

I guess that most people are against this Constitution due to varied reasons, but basically these :

- We do not want Turkey in EU, the politicians do. Which would be next candidate...Israel?? may be Morocco??

- In many counties the Constitution was approved by the parlaments...In a democratic country you should ask for the opinion of the people..this constitution is gonna be their fundamental law!

- Chauvinistic feelings


I agree with a unite Europe, but not like the one politicians want.



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June 4th, 2005  
Pierrot
 
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Only extreme leftist(comunist) and extreme right(fascist, like Le Pen in France) political parties were agaisnt the Constituion. All other parties were favourable.
False ! there are no 54,87% people in France who are leftist or "fascist" ! About one half of the Socialist Party and the Green were against.

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In Spain there was not a debate about the Constitution, all the political parties were favourable to it. In Spain we said yes to the Constitution, but only with a 40% participation....great failure!
yep, but does everyone read the third part of this treaty ?

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I guess that most people are against this Constitution due to varied reasons, but basically these :

- We do not want Turkey in EU, the politicians do. Which would be next candidate...Israel?? may be Morocco??

- In many counties the Constitution was approved by the parlaments...In a democratic country you should ask for the opinion of the people..this constitution is gonna be their fundamental law!

- Chauvinistic feelings
exactly


But another reason is also important : this constitution contained a political program, and this is not acceptable.
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June 4th, 2005  
Corocotta
 
 
pierrot wrote
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there are no 54,87% people in France who are leftist or "fascist"
I was talking about political parties, not about the people. Conerning the "green" party...., just like the melons, green outside and dark red inside.

You said that the Constitution is not acceptable because it has a political program, what do you mean with that?
June 4th, 2005  
Doc.S
 
Whistles the melody case La Marseillaise.... The French should have a medal as the Dutch, keep them coming! Estonia - boo!

Doc.S
June 4th, 2005  
ninjafreak89
 
One of the main reason the people of European countries do not want a United Europe is because of the national aspirations embedded into the societies before the pre-WWI era. And now because of that (and many other political reasons), they are oppose to a united Europe because they fear that it will disrupt their identity as individual people of their states.
June 5th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
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Originally Posted by ninjafreak89
One of the main reason the people of European countries do not want a United Europe is because of the national aspirations embedded into the societies before the pre-WWI era. And now because of that (and many other political reasons), they are oppose to a united Europe because they fear that it will disrupt their identity as individual people of their states.
Yeah, national identity is a weird useless thing. It may have been useful tool to mobilize the masses in the 1800s to create new states with a little more freedom than their predecessors, but there is no need for it now. I have some kind of NI but I can't explain why.
June 6th, 2005  
Darcia
 
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Originally Posted by Mohmar Deathstrike
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Originally Posted by Darcia
Canada isn't in Eurpe yet there part of the ESA. Who knows what the higher ups in the EU are thinking.
Why is there no talk of Canada joining the EU?

It is also odd because Switzerland refuses to join the Eu because it sees it as an alliance and wants toremain it it's current state however it is in fact a member of the ESA.
June 6th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
[quote="Darcia"]
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Originally Posted by Mohmar Deathstrike

It is also odd because Switzerland refuses to join the Eu because it sees it as an alliance and wants toremain it it's current state however it is in fact a member of the ESA.
Canada is not a European Space Agency member.

Switzerland is also part of the European Free Trade Association
June 6th, 2005  
Pierrot
 
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One of the main reason the people of European countries do not want a United Europe is because of the national aspirations embedded into the societies before the pre-WWI era. And now because of that (and many other political reasons), they are oppose to a united Europe because they fear that it will disrupt their identity as individual people of their states.
Yes, but in France it represents "only" 35% of the "no-vote". The "no" won thanks to the left-wing electors, who were in a majority against the treaty.
They thought the treaty was too "liberal". But I must recognize this constitution was hazardous because it contained a "official" policy. Stauro, you can check it : read for example the third part (for example III-156, III-162, III-167 and the unbelievable III-131, but also the independence of the ECB, a parliament who cannot propose any law ! ... ) and the reference to the NATO (excuse me but it disturbs me )

The french paradox is : YES to Europe, so NO to this constitution