Douglas Bader RAF - WW11




 
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July 19th, 2008  
Del Boy
 

Topic: Douglas Bader RAF - WW11


New book re. Douglas Bader RAF - warts and all.



http://www.express.co.uk/features/vi...a-born-fighter-
October 20th, 2008  
BritinAfrica
 
 

Topic: Bader


Douglas Bader was not the nice chap as depicted by Kenneth More in the film Reach for the sky. Although I admire his courage, tenacity and his ability to overcome official adversity to get into the air again, the man was extremely arrogant and obnoxious.

His biggest shameful act in my opinion was his part along with Trafford Leigh-Mallory both of 12 Group in the firing of Sir Hugh Dowding over his handling of the Battle of Britain. Leigh-Mallory and Bader were almost fanatical in their belief of the “Big Wings.” Keith Parks of 11 Group and Hugh Dowding handling of the Battle was absolutely correct as history shows, while the Big Wing theory in effect was a complete and utter failure.

While 11 Group were in the air, 12 group were requested to protect 11 Group airfields from attack, on almost every occasion they do failed to do so. Leigh-Mallory even went as far to complain about an 11 Group aircraft chasing and shooting down a German aircraft in his airspace.

I am not a fan of either Bader nor Leigh-Mallory.
November 18th, 2010  
M1A2
 
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Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
Douglas Bader was not the nice chap as depicted by Kenneth More in the film Reach for the sky. Although I admire his courage, tenacity and his ability to overcome official adversity to get into the air again, the man was extremely arrogant and obnoxious.

His biggest shameful act in my opinion was his part along with Trafford Leigh-Mallory both of 12 Group in the firing of Sir Hugh Dowding over his handling of the Battle of Britain. Leigh-Mallory and Bader were almost fanatical in their belief of the “Big Wings.” Keith Parks of 11 Group and Hugh Dowding handling of the Battle was absolutely correct as history shows, while the Big Wing theory in effect was a complete and utter failure.

While 11 Group were in the air, 12 group were requested to protect 11 Group airfields from attack, on almost every occasion they do failed to do so. Leigh-Mallory even went as far to complain about an 11 Group aircraft chasing and shooting down a German aircraft in his airspace.

I am not a fan of either Bader nor Leigh-Mallory.
That is very interesting do you know where that is quoted from I would love to get more information..
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December 16th, 2011  
Trooper1854
 
 
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Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
Douglas Bader was not the nice chap as depicted by Kenneth More in the film Reach for the sky. Although I admire his courage, tenacity and his ability to overcome official adversity to get into the air again, the man was extremely arrogant and obnoxious.

His biggest shameful act in my opinion was his part along with Trafford Leigh-Mallory both of 12 Group in the firing of Sir Hugh Dowding over his handling of the Battle of Britain. Leigh-Mallory and Bader were almost fanatical in their belief of the “Big Wings.” Keith Parks of 11 Group and Hugh Dowding handling of the Battle was absolutely correct as history shows, while the Big Wing theory in effect was a complete and utter failure.

While 11 Group were in the air, 12 group were requested to protect 11 Group airfields from attack, on almost every occasion they do failed to do so. Leigh-Mallory even went as far to complain about an 11 Group aircraft chasing and shooting down a German aircraft in his airspace.

I am not a fan of either Bader nor Leigh-Mallory.
I am with you there. They did the real dirty on Sir Hugh and Keith Parks.
Those two men worked hard and did alot to keep RAF Fighter Command opperational during the Battle of Britain, then they got pooed on from a great height. Their main problem was they were not "YES MEN". Churchill felt humiliated by Dowding because he refused to send more squadrons to France before its collapse so his card was marked from then on.
December 16th, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 
Until his death (although he did mellow a little) Bader was arrogant and obnoxious as ever. During a Battle of Britain open day on our station many many years ago a few Battle of Britain pilots showed up, Bader was one of them.

Hugh Dowding and Keith Parks will be forever in the hearts and minds of those (who are left) who fought in the Battle.

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Originally Posted by M1A2
That is very interesting do you know where that is quoted from I would love to get more information..
There is a huge number of sites that will give you the full story and in more detail. A good place to start would be to watch the Battle of Britain movie, its quite factual. When Sir Hugh Dowding watched the movie before it went on public showing, he had tears running down his cheeks.

When the movie was made a lot of the older generation got extremely upset and highly annoyed seeing German bombers flying over London again. One of my dads workmates said, "I thought we beat those bastards years ago!" I was serving in the Far East when the movie was made, I wish I had been in UK to watch the mock dog fights.
December 16th, 2011  
Trooper1854
 
 
I remember reading that during the filming of "The Battle of Britain" he was invited to get into the cockpit of a Spitfire. Someone went to help him but Bob Stanford-Tuck pulled them back saying it was the best way to get a smack in the face off of him!
Its true he went through alot and has to be admired for his courage and tenacity, but alot of people say he was a right old git!
As a POW he wound the Germans up so much that fellow prisoners started to get the hump as they were being punished too for his behaviour.
December 16th, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 
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Originally Posted by Trooper1854
I remember reading that during the filming of "The Battle of Britain" he was invited to get into the cockpit of a Spitfire. Someone went to help him but Bob Stanford-Tuck pulled them back saying it was the best way to get a smack in the face off of him!
Its true he went through alot and has to be admired for his courage and tenacity, but alot of people say he was a right old git!
As a POW he wound the Germans up so much that fellow prisoners started to get the hump as they were being punished too for his behaviour.
Stanford Tuck was a gentleman so in fact was Adolf Galland.

Many of his fellow POW's hated Bader for his goon baiting, its a wonder no one died because of his antics.
December 16th, 2011  
Trooper1854
 
 
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Originally Posted by BritinAfrica
Stanford Tuck was a gentleman so in fact was Adolf Galland.

Many of his fellow POW's hated Bader for his goon baiting, its a wonder no one died because of his antics.
Galland did alot for Bader and Stanford-Tuck when they were POWs.
When the roles were reversed, Bob remebered this but Bader did nothing.
Galland and Bob became close friends after the war and used to go hunting together. In an interview they were asked "What do you shoot?" Bob answered "Anything that moves. After doing it for a living its a hard habit to get out of!"
December 20th, 2011  
rocky71
 
 
1. A person who looses a limb or faculty generally become eccentric. That is human, and must be understood.

2. As a child I had heard Douglas give a talk on his exploits in person. He had also obliged us with his autographs. As far as I remember we kids were all moved. Douglas Badar personified the human will to overcome extreme adversity. Great guy, I thought.
December 20th, 2011  
BritinAfrica
 
 
You never saw his other (more frequent) side. He was a nasty piece of work.
 


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