I was a member of a Navy where when found, they were not tolerated and were discharged with utmost speed. It worked really well, without any controversy whatsoever. I think the remaining personnel all felt more comfortable because of it.

But of course, political correctness demands that we shove our head in the fire every now and then, just to find out what we already know.

Originally Posted by mmarsh

I'd point out that many major Western Armies (except the US) openly allow gays to serve. This include Australia, Canada, the UK, France, and Germany.

JFDR: Spain also.

Rattler

I am not really advocating for one side or the other. People around here seem to think that that rule can be changed over night and everything will simply become peachy and friendly to it. That would be incorrect. When I enlisted, the military did not change itself for me, I changed myself for the military. If you think that traditions that have been around longer then I have been alive can be broken in a night I would say you are ****ing crazy. Maybe in some branches/units it will work. Military wide? Negative.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Spike... The problem is, there are things that are right to be intolerant about, and there are things that show ignorance and closed-mindedness... Being intolerant about a child molester is a good thing, because child molestation is a terrible crime. Being intolerant about a homosexual is a bad thing, because homosexuality is NOT a crime.

It was,... and still is in many countries. When we get over our PC guilt trip and start admitting the truth to ourselves, no doubt it will become so again to one degree or another.

Being a crime is not my concern, homosexuality is a deep flaw in a persons psychological make up (no pun intended), similar to such things as pathological lying, pyromania and other obsessive compulsive disorders.

I seem to remember that in another thread on this subject, you used the argument that the brain function of homos were found to be out of step with those of normal people. I personally believe it is no more than a poor choice of lifestyle, similar to that of career criminals etc., where they consciously decide at some time to defy the social norms, but that's another story.

The problem that has arisen from all of this stupidity is that these neurotics have banded together and convinced the powers that be in some countries, that they are "normal". I have no argument about the lunatics taking charge of the asylum,... but I do have an issue when they try to force the remainder of the population to join them or at least admit that they are right.

Originally Posted by Big_Z

I am not really advocating for one side or the other. People around here seem to think that that rule can be changed over night and everything will simply become peachy and friendly to it. That would be incorrect. When I enlisted, the military did not change itself for me, I changed myself for the military. If you think that traditions that have been around longer then I have been alive can be broken in a night I would say you are ****ing crazy. Maybe in some branches/units it will work. Military wide? Negative.

But that's the thing... Just because the military doesn't allow gays in the military right now doesn't mean there AREN'T gays in the military. LOL It's not like segregation... You can clearly tell when a person is white or black, being gay is much harder to detect (which rather hints to the similarities between us and them). The rule can be changed overnight, what will take some time is for those über-conservatives to accept that being a homosexual doesn't change your ability to do the job you signed up to do. There are plenty of functioning gays in the military right now, and getting rid of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy will only allow for further camaraderie and trust between gays and straights.

Originally Posted by senojekips

It was,... and still is in many countries. When we get over our PC guilt trip and start admitting the truth to ourselves, no doubt it will become so again to one degree or another.

Being a crime is not my concern, homosexuality is a deep flaw in a persons psychological make up (no pun intended), similar to such things as pathological lying, pyromania and other obsessive compulsive disorders.

Yes, and in those same countries, a woman can be stoned for showing too much skin... Are you against that as well? Give me a break.

My feelings on homosexuality do not come from a guilt trip... My feelings on homosexuality come from the idea that I would not want ANYONE being able to tell me who I could and could not love. My feelings on homosexuality come from the idea that if it's not hurting me, why should I care? My feelings on homosexuality come from the basic understanding that we are all human beings, and none of us is any better than the other when it comes to matters like that.

Again, different is not always BAD, Spike. You cannot compare a homosexual to a criminal because they are different scenarios. Yes, there probably is a malfunction in a homosexual's brain that causes he/she to be attracted to the same sex... But it is NOT the same malfunction that causes a criminal to want to rape, murder, or steal. They are not doing anything illegal (when you think about the basic definition of a crime), so who are we to stop them? You're no better than they are... Judge not, lest ye be judged.

Originally Posted by senojekips

I seem to remember that in another thread on this subject, you used the argument that the brain function of homos were found to be out of step with those of normal people. I personally believe it is no more than a poor choice of lifestyle, similar to that of career criminals etc., where they consciously decide at some time to defy the social norms, but that's another story.

The problem that has arisen from all of this stupidity is that these neurotics have banded together and convinced the powers that be in some countries, that they are "normal". I have no argument about the lunatics taking charge of the asylum,... but I do have an issue when they try to force the remainder of the population to join them or at least admit that they are right.

Like I said before, the squeaky wheel gets the grease... The vocal minority you see on television is NOT representative of the entire LGBT population. There are some who wouldn't rest until you accepted that gay sex was the same thing as heterosexual intercourse... That, I disagree with. There is a difference (obviously)... But it is only a difference... They can be equal PEOPLE and still have that difference. They're not asking to be "right"... They're just asking people to agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

Yes, and in those same countries, a woman can be stoned for showing too much skin... Are you against that as well? Give me a break.

Like the homos were given a break by decriminalising their neuroses, look where that has got us.

My feelings on homosexuality come from the idea that if it's not hurting me, why should I care?

How short your memory is. You should care because it is an anti social act the same as picking one's nose and eating it. Remember???

Again, different is not always BAD, Spike. You cannot compare a homosexual to a criminal because they are different scenarios. Yes, there probably is a malfunction in a homosexual's brain that causes he/she to be attracted to the same sex... But it is NOT the same malfunction that causes a criminal to want to rape, murder, or steal.

Source?

They are not doing anything illegal (when you think about the basic definition of a crime), so who are we to stop them? You're no better than they are...

Speak for yourself, as i said earlier, you have no idea of who I am but one thing that i can assure you of is that I am a man not a homo, and as you would say, there is absolutely no comparison.

Like I said before, the squeaky wheel gets the grease... The vocal minority you see on television is NOT representative of the entire LGBT population.

I'm yet to see a homo stand up and denounce them, and i'm sure that is because it suits their agenda, just that they are not yet game to come out and say it.

There are some who wouldn't rest until you accepted that gay sex was the same thing as heterosexual intercourse... That, I disagree with. There is a difference (obviously)... But it is only a difference... They can be equal PEOPLE and still have that difference. They're not asking to be "right"... They're just asking people to agree to disagree.

And so long as they are asking, I will say No, because it is differences such as this, that separate man from the animals, we are supposed to have some moral backbone. Yeah,.. I know that to have moral obligations does not suit everyone, but it does me.

Originally Posted by Rob Henderson

But that's the thing... Just because the military doesn't allow gays in the military right now doesn't mean there AREN'T gays in the military.

As has already been posted, it is not the military that does not allow gays, it is Congress and the law.

"First, Congress can amend federal law, Title 10, 654.

Secondly, the Supreme Court can rule that section of 654 unconstitutional. They have already overturned state sodomy laws. A few cases using that as a precedence are working their way toward the court. They refused to hear the first one that landed at their feet. More to come.

Either of those two President Obama can not do much about, despite his speeches." quote Lavite (post 20 this thread)


This is what makes President Obama's statements to do away with "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, so hollow. He knows he can not change it with out going through Congress.

Will anyone take senojekips seriously again?

Originally Posted by Wallabies

Will anyone take senojekips seriously again?

Well, I guess he surely put a spoke in the wheel of your little red wagon Wally.

Not that it it is ever very hard to do. You will lead with your chin.

Just play nicely or I might have to sit you on your bum,... again.

Haha... Well Spike, thanks for the laughs. It's really not a big deal... You either move with the times or get left behind... Doesn't matter to me.