Does democratic china produce Hitler?

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AFP , SYDNEY
Wednesday, Mar 01, 2006,Page 5
A democratic China could present Asia-Pacific countries with major problems never experienced under the current authoritarian regime, an Australian defense think tank said yesterday.
The Australian Strategic Policy Institute said China's aging communist leadership was committed to peacefully pursuing economic expansion but that could change when the next generation of leaders takes over.
In a report entitled In the Balance: China's Unprecedented Growth and Implications for the Asia-Pacific, the institute said countries in the region must carefully engage China.
It said the impending generational change in leadership meant Tokyo and Washington could not afford to isolate China because of their concerns about its increasing economic power and burgeoning defense spending.
"When a fifth generation of leadership assumes power in ten to fifteen years, China could become more open and tolerate greater dissent," the report said.
"Such a political opening could then open the door to forces such as nationalism and populism. There is no way to predict exactly how Chinese politics will evolve in a more democratic era, but it is a development which could produce new challenges for the countries of East Asia after 2020.
"An authoritarian China has been highly predictable. A more open and democratic China could produce new uncertainties about both domestic policy and international relations."
The report's author, US-based economist and China specialist David Hale, said Taiwan and North Korea represented the major potential flashpoints involving China, along with Beijing's long-standing differences with Japan.
But the report said the current Chinese leadership had a vested interest in maintaining stability in the region because exports underpinned its booming economy.
"It is unusual for a country as large as China to be so heavily dependent upon foreign trade but as a result of low labour costs, good infrastructure, and pro-business economic policies the global corporate community has turned China into a workshop of the world," it said.
"China has become so integrated with the global economy that she can no longer pursue a high-risk foreign policy without jeopardizing her economic prosperity," it continued.
Hale said China was likely to threaten other countries only if there was domestic political instability which produced an upsurge in nationalism and a search for external scapegoats. He said such instability could be sparked if dissatisfaction over increasing income inequality in China resulted in a populist government that suspended economic reforms.
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Future or Now of CHINA?
 
well hard to say. maybe.
but the only thing i know is that most chinese dont like japanese. i am not going to start a jap vs chi talk. but it is just a kind of true, as most japanese youth dont like china.
 
sandy! you are a funny dude! you are really scared of being ass kicked by china. you think too much about chinese stuff. who care? it seems you really dislike china.:p
 
Let me get this right....

This article states that a Free China will be a danger to the free world.

The writers of that article need to put down the crack pipe and stop supporting communism.

Communist China in it's current state is a greater danger to the people of the free world.
 
To filmmaker
Ahahahaha
I don,t dislike china as you think.
Surely my luck of explnation make you mistale.
I hope democratic china(at least,it,s better than now)
Communist China in it's current state is a greater danger to the people of the free world.
So you say.
To be democracy or not to be,that is not ploblem.
 
dude! this artical really confused me. the fact, in communist country if anything go wrong, you can blame or curse anything you like except communist party.
 
Warning: This thread is very close to being locked. No more Japan vs. China rhetoric will be tolerated.
 
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I guess I miss the point of the cartoon.

I see Hitler being supported by Hindenburg and Franz von Papen

What does this have to do with China? I miss the connection.
 
the purpose of this thread is want others to know that china is a threaten to the world.but he foeget that himself is also a threaten.

but in fact ,any country can be a threaten to the world peace,especially the power or the big countries such as usa,japan,russia,germany,france,india,etc....

this applies to all the countries.
 
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Ying Ying, you are absolutely correct. The lack of Republicanism welcomes a high chance of dictators being elected. Developing countries in South America, Africa, and Asia that were once democracies experienced unstable military coupe de'tats and internal strife and domestic violence became dictatorships.

Almost in every nation in the world, Minorities are oppressed by the tyranny of the majority especially those who lack Republicanism. For example in Rwanda where the Huttu majority slaughtered many of the Tutsi minority.

Lack in Republicanism and Federalism would cause problems in large countries with huge populations for example in France where controversial laws are met with huge protests.

A leader that has the ability to commandeer the three primary branches of government, the courts, the decision makers, and the law makers constitutes a dictator.

As for the People's Republic of China, this country is a one party authoritarian government and IS NOT A DICTATORSHIP. A lot of people often see it as this depending on their own political perspective. Lockean or Hobbes. Liberal or Realists. Etc. The Chairman and the Premiere can be voted out by the Government if they are charged for corruption. Quite similar to the impeachement process.

Due to its current stage of development, I believe that China is not suitable for democracy yet because of the sheer size of the nation, the 1.5 billion people, and the 55 minority groups in the nation. However China should continue its efforts to establish a stable Republic by allowing some non-communist party officials into its legislation council, which have been already beginning to doing so. As the older Generation of Chinese law makers retire, the communist party will not remain as the dominant party as the new generation support reformist policies such as the right to private property. By then if China becomes fully developed, then democracy can start thriving at large.

Currently or even the future, China is far far away from being Nazi Germany. Nazi Germany is a racist leadership and forming this type of comparison is in complete ignorance to the reality of what the Nazi regime was all about. The topic is very misleading and incorrect.

Hitler was a racist and insane man. Facsist. Expansionist. Imperial. His policies created the most horrifying death factories, killing human beings at high effeciency. Allied himself with other agressive nations such as Japan and Italy that conquered fragmented and weak nations. An evil cult. Genocide. War World. And above all else...Racism.
 
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So Cabal would you say that a dictatorship necessitates control being in the hands of only one person?
 
A one party system does not necessarily mean a dictatorship although it has been strongly associated to it. Taiwan for example was a single-party state from 1949-1991. During the 70's 80's, it allowed non-KMT members into its legislative branch. Was it "categorized" as a dictatorship before this time? Not really. Egypt is also another example of a single-party state but is it a dictatorship? Again Not really. The current state of China's government is a collective authoritarian one party system and is not totalitarian...something that it was once was under Mao's rule.

Right now, it is quite difficult how to catagorized China's government's role because its ongoing economic development and democratization. Personal freedoms have grown in the country though there are issues with censorship and freedom of press.
 
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Plate glass windows instead of iron walls.

Both are equally effective at controlling the inmates within. One completely prevents escape and vision to the world beyond. The former is rather cruel in that it allows a view to the outside world but will sever a body attempting to break through the limits imposed.
 
I don't view states as prisons. Instead I view it as a protection racketeering business. In my perspective, there is no such thing as the "best" system in the world.

Bulldog are you actually from Mainland China or is it you live there?
 
CABAL said:
I don't view states as prisons. Instead I view it as a protection racketeering business. In my perspective, there is no such thing as the "best" system in the world.

Bulldog are you actually from Mainland China or is it you live there?

I have to agree with bulldogg in the censorship area. How is it that China can become a democracy or any other form of government when they (as in government and other entities) censor almost all forms of political forums? Internet, public protests, teachings in schools, public elections etc. To access anything other than what the government wants you to have access to you have to use a proxy server or go out of the country.


China dabbles in democracy


Some excerpts that caught my eye:
Qianrenqiao is preparing for its next election, and 13 local government officials have accompanied us there to make sure the villagers are on-message.

Our country's socialism has changed colour - now some people join the party with different motives from back in Chairman Mao's time," said one man, who did not want to be named.
"Now they join the party as a springboard to get a high position and make money," he said.

Despite this, the Communist Party's control is not threatened, because it has not allowed alternative centres of power to emerge, even stopping election bids by a handful of independent candidates. It is a measure of the party's determination to ensure its own survival, and it is showing that it will change in order to prolong its reign, even if that means jettisoning its core ideology.

Makes it seem like the government has a hand in determining who is elected doesn't it? Makes you wonder how the government will actually ever become more than they already are.


EDIT: Anyone know how to make the links come up as words instead of the actual link? Please advise. Leaving what I have so you can see what I did wrong. Thanks in advance.
 
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To create a link that appears as text:
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I did one in your original message.
 
DTop said:
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I did one in your original message.
Thanks for the tip, DTop.
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DTop said:
To create a link that appears as text:
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I did one in your original message.

Thanks much DTop.
 
The Hitler comparison aside, I find that article very interesting. I've never thought about it that way, but I think its evident - in a democratic China there would sooner or later be someone (a populist) to capitalize on antijapanese and other sentiments present in the population. Even if they dont win elections, this would still excert pressure on the government to change their foreign policy in a way that satisfies nationalist sentiments in the population and hence the risk of confrontation with other countries in the region increases.
 
5.56X45mm said:
Let me get this right....

This article states that a Free China will be a danger to the free world.

The writers of that article need to put down the crack pipe and stop supporting communism.

Communist China in it's current state is a greater danger to the people of the free world.

I'm not so sure. I work with a lot of Chinese people, and most tell me that if the government ever changed China would fall apart. I can't imagine a more dangerous situation then this. Just imagine what this could do to our economy, let alone to the world’s economy. And the ethnic wars could make Rwanda/Yugoslavia look like a cakewalk.
 
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